This is one of the dumbest things about conservatives in the US ...... we're going to start a civil war - for Trump.
I could agree to many political arguments about rebelling against your own government but to say you want to start a civil war to defend a completely morally bankrupt individual that has absolutely no care for you at all has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever had the opportunity to see and hear.
MAGAs are being swindled and don't know it.
If you tell them they are being swindled, with proof, they won't believe it and take it out on you instead for suggesting it.
They'd rather be ignorant than be proven wrong. This is also why phone/computer scammers keep going after the same people. The victims never want to believe they were duped until it's too late.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
I love that quote. We need more Sagan's and fewer Rogans.
Humanity has been victim to that for thousands of years in the form of world religions
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
― Mark Twain
"The entrenchment of a person's belief is directly proportional to how wrong it is."
-- Me
See, this doesn’t work as a truism because the "wrongness” or immorality is typically just a common coincidence taken advantage of by conmen (like Trump and other demagogues).
It would be more accurate to say, “The enrichment of a person’s belief is often directly proportional to how self-serving it is.”
Christianity provides a good example of this: believe in Jesus, and all of one’s sins are forgiven, basically writing a person a blank check to be a monster for their whole life, knowing that they’ll be forgiven when they die because “Jesus will forgive me.”
This is what my mother believes and why my entire family refuses to ever speak to her again.
They're not being conned, they're in on the con. Notice how there is nothing consistently rational about the messaging. The issues they're concerned about and what they say they want done about them all change daily. But they all point in one direction.
They've identified themselves as the in-group, they've identified the out-groups, and they want to stomp all over those out-groups and take everything they've got. Their money, their dignity, their lives. Whatever proves that they're on top.
Remember the second part of that LBJ quote:
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
They know the consequences and they're willing to risk it. Calling them idiots does not prepare us to deal with the situation in which we find ourselves now.
Sunk cost fallacy is real and MAGA is all in on their shitty investment of tearing the system down, repressive policies and generalized white & hetero supremacy
the dumbest thing I've ever had the opportunity to see and hear.
After fifty years on this planet I can only tell you the bar keeps getting raised, but it's not always the bars we might wish.
If it's against the government, then it's a coup d'état.
See how well that's working out for the January 6 crowd.
And that’s the thing, they don’t want a civil war with the government, they want a civil war with ‘liberals’. They can’t control government the way they want to so they instead want to eliminate the people who vote differently than they do.
This is what happens when you handle traitors with kid gloves.
No there won't.
Alternate headline: local inbreds big mad
I agree, their numbers, organization, and ammo reserves are not to be dismissed or underestimated.
If you mean more traitors will go to prison and be removed from the voter pool, neat!
It sounds like they mean to remove themselves from the gene pool as well! I'm all for it
I still can’t believe that all the rural redneck idiots are willing to start a Civil War for a failed corrupt New York City businessman, who represents everything they don’t stand for in the name of creating a fascist dictatorship and stripping away all of your rights so that the rich people can continue to fuck you in the ass.
Most of them think the war will turn the economic tides and somehow turn their rural towns into utopian areas where all the wealth from the cities is funneled into their shitty towns. They want the status and earning of being an engineer, doctor, or lawyer without trying or educating themselves.
What is sad is all conservatives are willing to kill us, our children, and everything we worked for for this ideal and for a corrupt, failed New York businessman that sells military secrets to our enemies.
Translation: the few nutty enough to put plans to action will commit cowardly terrorist acts that make magats even more detested. Just because fascist asshats couldn't settle for being overrepresented.
There won't be a civil war unless\until the prospect of a civil war starts to look profitable to the .1%.
Used to agree with that, now it's a maybe. The US elite created the seeds of MAGA and the christian right back in the days of Reagan, and they've fully lost control of it, Trump has at least some measure of control on the group, but I feel it's only because he's pretending to do what they want.
Just as with the actual US revolution, the movement was started by the 1% for their own interests. Which they gaslit and orchestrated for their own gain until they lost control of it.
For the uninitiated: they started riots to pressure lawmakers to not pass a new tax on them, not the working class, and new laws preventing them from defrauding London based banks with what amounts to wire fraud by regular mail by creating shell companies in different colonies, getting loans for exploration and land use, and then closing the "company" and repeating.in a different colony.
I have no doubt gaggles of these goons will start some shit here and there, but a Civil War would mean the US military has either fractured or someone raised a domestic army capable of fighting the US military, which is so crazy I don't even know why I mentioned it.
You have to remember the 'state-of-the-art' of war in 1861 was that men, munitions, and information moved at the maximum speed of a train, but more likely horse. And the distance between the most technologically advanced weapons available and a farmer's rifle was within an order of magnitude of technological progress. Today the distance between civilian and military communications, field intelligence, and weaponry might as well be to another star system. And before anyone references past insurgent success against modern US military- they didn't get their weapons at WalMart- they're supplied by other national militaries. A Civil War starting with a civilian uprisings just isn't a military possibility.
And I really don't see any scenario by which the US military starts fighting itself. I'd be curious what scenarios others think might lead to that but I just don't see anything on the table that could make a US military commander accept an order to attack other US military assets. I think something like a military coup would be far more likely than a civil war at this point.
It must be Friday, because MAGA is threatening civil war but they're sitting down. Do it or shut the fuck up, cowards.
Well, we're waiting MAGA boys. Go for it.
The thing I worry about is how much more angry some Americans will become as AI starts to really eat up the jobs. The radicalized far right wing has already painted Big Tech as somehow liberal/leftist (lol) because they are being "censored" on platforms like pre-Xitter Twitter or Facebook.
Imagine how they'll react when it becomes obvious that "Big Tech" has come/is coming for their jobs. I fear people that were unradicalized before may suddenly be thrown into despair with lots of time on their hands, and the usual suspects giving them easy "answers" as to the cause. You just know that DEI, "woke", and Biden's hard drive, oops, I mean, "laptop" will be the kinds of things blamed for it.
Boy it sure says an awful lot about Maga that they are going to go to war for a swollen pustule like Humpty Trumpty. If it's a movement, wouldn't it transcend a single individual? What a weak group of simpletons.
"There will be a civil war!" - Somebody definitely not prepared to fight in any kind of war.
Civil War? Sounds serious.
So when are democrats dropping gun control?
SocialistRA.org
gun control is too politicized of a term to be used specifically. It can range from "taking away all guns ever, completely, forever" to "hey maybe don't give violent offenders guns probably" Which is a uh variety of opinions that one can have.
Though in terms of stats, dems, queer people, minorities, etc... Are all arming themselves at increasing rates, as the founding fathers intended.
Any of his idiot base that think it's worthwhile to have a....checks notes....civil war over this stupid buffoon deserve the inevitable outcome.
One of the saddest parts for his followers is they think they are getting that strong man that's going to clean up all that is wrong in their books and make it like some rose colored memory of how good things use to be before the world become too complicated for them to handle.
Trump isn't coming in to do that kind of hard work, he's doing it for the title, prestige, and the fact he "deserves" to be president, he should be president because he's special.
Not to say it's all about his ego which it is, but it's also pretty handy in his mind to help deal with his mounting legal issues while slow to play out but they are piling up like Everest.
It's unfortunate most won't recognize the need for a leader to do the hard work of a true servant leader. It's been a long time since we've seen one of those. Many will argue we've seen that in Carter and even perhaps despite his advancing years a little in Biden but most people have been turned against such presidents with soft skills willing to do the hardwork.
They seem to want those with a finger on the button ready to blow up anyone that dares challenge the US. That's another area Trump supporters will be let down in when it comes to Russia...
Let's get on with it! I'm still waiting for the AR-15 waving morons on mobility scooters getting mowed down.
the AR-15 waving morons on mobility scooters
Oh, the Chairborne Rangers? Or is it Meal Team Six? Or the Gravy Seals? Of course, we also know the Talibangelicals, Walmartyrs, the Yeehawdists and the Oaf Keepers. But there are also the Q Cucks Clan, Cupcake Commandos, Vanilla Isis and Midlife Isis, but don't forget the Green Beignets, Waffle SS, 1st Chairborne, KFC-9, Special Farces and Snack Ops.
As you can see, they are a very diverse [all-white] group of [seriously hungry] patriots!
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