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I am in the process of looking between repairing my phone or switching to a new one. And the no brainer evolution to the OnePlus 7 Pro I have is a Pixel phone. Pixel Phones are definitely not perfect, I know that the battery would fall faster than other phones but hey, that's ok, google chip in it, possibility to go GrapheneOs, all good.

But the A versions only having 128 GB, and needing to pay 100 extra Euro on the Normal and Pro phone for 256GB is ridiculous, and not allowing me to add a SD card for that! Is insane I restarted my phone in December fresh from zero, and in the last 9 months I used 163 GB of memory. 48GB of it is my music on Deezer, for which I pay to be able to download "HIFI" files which I am not willing to trade for using less space on my phone, I work in a place with no 4G, I've got a few playlist I switch between. The rest is 25 GB of Pictures, 7GB of games. 44GB of apps.

Now the answer to this is "Well now with your Pixel phone you can use the Google Cloud, Google Docs blablabla". Something insights by Google offering 3 month of Google one and 3 month of YouTube premium when you buy a Pixel phone. So much cloud that's soo cool! And you can just redownload things when you need it. Well I don't want to redownload my musics everyday when I listen to them, I don't want to trade and limit what I would call normal use. I know not everyone will resonate with this, but the carbon impact on bandwidth used from cloud in 4G is important.

Normalise SD cards, Normalise not using the Cloud as a solution for everything


Update 2 Days later

Hey, writting here because this post has brought a lot of people to talk about storage of data on phone, which is quite nice. I am writting here just because a lot of comments are repeating certain points and It wouldn't be useful answering to all of them if after their will be more comments saying the same thing.

I am not saying Cloud = Bad. It's great we have a place out there where we can Store Data in case anything happens. I simply wish either brand gave us more choice on data capacity, seeing a Pixel 7a only at 128 gb ain't cool, let me make a choice. Seing a Pixel & with 128gb or having to pay an extra 100€ for 256gb when a sd card is 30€ is not cool.

A personal server is in my plans, and it's one of the projects I'm the most impatient to have.

I understand that I have a different use of phones then the average, I simply want to be able to adapt the tools I use to my different use.

I have taken the step to take a look at the storage in my phone by curiosity and to look with a different eye my consomption of Storage, and have deleted 3gb of games, and 3gb of apps that where useless. I've also started looking into my photos and took out 3gb of photos I had which where useless. And I think there is more photos I'll delete, I am not done on that of course

My signal discussion are important to me, I am in a Long Distance Relationship, and discussions I have with my SO on Signal are the major part of my relationship, and I cherish them. I have set up signal so that it makes when charging at night a copy of my discussions, and when I have Sincthing, it loads the conv to a HDD Drive on my PC. That being said, in the floders I found bugged temp file from saves that did not end, for a total of 20 gb of Signal discussions (oof lol) which where deleted too. How ridiculus was it? Well in Storage>Files the weight of total files dropped from 20,68gb to 0,68gb

Anyway, I am now at 132gb :D! I'm not writting this because I am feeling attacked or to defend myself, just as a small update and because these are reocuring comment that's all, i'm still anwering here and there if you arrive a bit latter to the post, it's impressive from lemmy I feel to still be receiving comments and have a discussion that continues 2 day after a post. Usually on Reddit posts would die in 6 hours, and their where no dick's in the chat. I've read every single message, and answers other people did

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[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 70 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Normalise SD cards

I never stopped. Any phone I buy must have an SD slot. Problem solved.

[-] monobot@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago

Same here, I don't understand people buying phones without SD card and than complaining about it.

They sent a message to manufacturer that they don't want SD cart slot and of course in the next year evel less phones will have it.

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[-] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 9 months ago

Reward Sony, they have low, mid, and high end phones that still have SD cards and headphone jacks.

[-] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 9 months ago

While I respect them for their hardware, they need to up their software game. They've been left in the dust on update lifespan by Samsung and Google. I'm also miffed that they don't have much care for specification accuracy (or at least didn't when I got my US Xperia III).

[-] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago

Agreed, I wish they had longer update timelines and were easily available in the US. But they are easily among the best overall phones with a headphone jack and expandable storage.

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[-] rollerbang@sopuli.xyz 11 points 9 months ago

As much as I'd love to, they're simply too expensive, by far. Amd I've had several Sony's compact models before that have each left me with a malfunctioning screen after about a year.

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[-] yggdar@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago

It sounds like you have a very specific set of requirements that requires a specific type of premium phone. Not everybody needs 128 GB of storage eon their phone (mine only has 64). I agree that a lot of storage and SD-card slots are good features to have on phones, but the truth is that not everyone needs those. Each feature will add cost and require more resources to build, and for a lot of people not having them will work just fine.

[-] giant_smeeg@feddit.uk 18 points 9 months ago

I don't get the arguments either way.

Buy the 512GB phone if you need it?

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[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

My mum is constantly complaining about not having enough storage on her phone but won't switch away from an iPhone to and Android with an SD slot.

Some people just like to bitch about a problem not fix it.

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[-] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 9 months ago

Mid tier phones have sd card support, 3.5mm jack replaceable battery.

You only have to know where to look.

removable battery

sd card

3.5mm jack

[-] Bonehead@kbin.social 18 points 9 months ago

Ok, now which ones have all three, plus a metal frame?

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[-] IronRain@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

A lot of comments in this thread defending OEMs from customer's benefits, which is disheartening to me, but I'm sure joyous for shareholders. I see comments saying you should buy premium phones that have SD cards, but there aren't many options. The only one is a $1400 Xperia I V. I would love nothing more to have the SD card on only the "ultra" variants, if costs are too much of an issue for those who don't use the feature, but there's not much "ultra" in the "Ultra" variant besides an extra camera or two.

For those who are baffled by what we hoard on our devices, why does it matter? Do we ask what you do on your phone when there doesn't seem to be anything on them? "I barely use 50GB on my device" and "128GB is more than enough for me" seem to be the prevailing notion here, and it's frustrating since your demographic is already highly represented on the market. It's similar to those who wish there wasn't a selfie cam because they never used it, ignoring all the video calls millions use on a daily basis.

But maybe an answer might stop the "curiosity" of the sparse data hoarders, and they might understand our plight. On my 1TB SD Card, I currently have:

220GB Audiobooks 18GB Music 34GB Pictures 330GB Videos, Movies, and TV Shows 10GB Work and Project Files 12GB Podcasts 14GB Games

As someone who is frequently in low-signal areas, especially while driving, streaming is not an option. My media has entertained me during flights, public transit commutes, working out, jury duty, and the DMV. I also don't want to transfer my media in and out of my device (I do back up my data wirelessly to my own server), nor do I want to bring an adapter when the technology is already embedded inside.

So OP, I feel you, and I'm hoping SD cards comeback.

[-] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 9 months ago

It's the same with people asking me why I don't buy bluetooth headsets and insist on having wired headphones. I don't want to buy something extra when I already have a pair of VERY GOOD headphones and audio signal is always better on wire - even with lossless audio on bluetooth (which is not yet supported by (m)any devices).

[-] IronRain@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Exactly! I literally don't know what to do with my SD card if I succumb to OEM's wishes and get a phone without the memory expansion. Nor do I want to spend +$150 per phone to get the 1TB option if they even offer one. I already bought my SD card once, so why would I want to do it again and again and again?

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[-] Kyoyeou@slrpnk.net 7 points 9 months ago

And I am not writing this at all to say it's bad to have only 64gb If you need 64gb, I simply want a solution that is not Cloud and that helps me get the amount of Storage I need. I'm also working in a low signal area. I've tried to listen to other songs and they just cut all of the time so I keep to the playlist I make

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[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

Imagine if we had this - physically tiny - and established standard how we could let the user add extra storage space to their small electronic devices.

I don't know, maybe SanDisk could develop something like this, some Micro format storage device. That's not a bad name, is it? Something with Micro, and SanDisk? Yeah, someone should create that!

[-] Zeus@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

well it'd obviously have to be digital, and it would be nice if it were secure as well

maybe down the line we could get a high capacity version, or even xtreme capacity

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[-] planish@sh.itjust.works 25 points 9 months ago

It does sound like they are selling 128G of flash storage at a weirdly high cost.

I think "44GB of apps" might be part of your problem though. There's no legit reason for them to be that big, they're all just shipping their own 4k prerendered buttons, full copies of React Native and half of the Node package ecosystem, and the same fifty tracking SDKs. 128G was a perfectly reasonable size for a pocket computer, until people decide you need to ship like a whole OS in every app and you need an app for like every store you go to and your messenger needs motion graphics for every emoji in Unicode.

I guess you could try offloading photos to another computer for archival storage? Keeping every photo you ever took on the camera is going to use a lot of space.

[-] Kyoyeou@slrpnk.net 7 points 9 months ago

The Heaviest one being Signal (8gb) because I have all my discussions of the last 9 Months, after they are around 1gb and lower, since i posted my messag, i've deleted 5gb of app too. I also need to check those photo, I have to move some to my drives, and I have I am certain a lot of them that can be destroyed

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[-] Saltarello@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

They hype 4k/8k recording capabilities but the average buyer is unlikely to realise exactly how fast this eats storage.

I had to buy a new phone when my last one broke. Needed S Pen & external SD so I opted for a used Note 20 Ultra in conjunction with the same SD card ive used since I first bought a smart phone.

I self host my own Nextcloud but cloud isnt the answer. Even in this day & age in a big city or driving, streaming is not available all the time. I insist that everything important is available offline: maps, notes, all media be it music, podcasts, audio books ...even movies/TV shows seeing as these phones can easily be connected to a TV for use with Kodi or similar. Another thing is recording footage of holidays etc for editing. It all takes up space.

I'm of the opinion the external SD was only removed for profiteering reasons.

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[-] verysoft@kbin.social 24 points 9 months ago

There's no excuse for a lack of expandable storage, theres no excuse for a lack of a 3.5mm port. Phones have been stagnant for the last 3/4 years.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 21 points 9 months ago

25gb of pictures... I mean... So you need all of that stored locally so it's accessible wherever you need it while you're in the middle of nowhere in the woods or a desert?

44gb of non games apps? 🤔

You realise you might be a power user that just bought the wrong device?

[-] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago

The problem is, there aren't many "not wrong" devices that address the issue. And simply wanting storage because of poor network a lot of the time is a fine reason that doesn't make someone a power user.

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[-] Chozo@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, this seems like a really weird complaint to me. My Pixel 6 Pro has 128 GB, and I've only just barely passed 100 GB used like a month ago, after having this phone for a couple years now.

I get that there will be niche use cases, but I feel like if you know you've got a niche use case, then you should probably be taking that into consideration when purchasing your device in the first place. For the average user, though, I feel like 128 GB is more than plenty.

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[-] sudoku@programming.dev 17 points 9 months ago

SD cards are irreplaceable to me because my phone does its backups into it. If my phone dies, I still can pull it out and have everything I need. And I'm not going to give my personal data to someone elses computer in a datacenter.

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[-] renohren@partizle.com 15 points 9 months ago

You are intending to buy a phone from a cloud company whose phone making business is an afterthought.

Get a phone from a phone making company whose cloud is an aftertaught.

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[-] Anonymousllama@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

128GB as the baseline is rubbish. Even 256GB is average considering the amount of high quality media we deal with nowadays. The amount of money these companies pull in from "upgrading" your storage is amazing, it costs dollars to upgrade from 128 to 256 but they'll charge you a $100 premium for the privilege

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[-] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 13 points 9 months ago

I do a lot of torrenting on my phone, I'm very frustrated with the current market of flagships. I have to constantly purge my downloads

I used to store music locally and I can't have 100gb of music any more because my phone is only 128. I used to download entire TV shows at once, and now I have to do it one season at a time and delete it as I watch.

Obviously it's not a big deal because I've just settled for doing it, but ffs SD card slots are cheap as shit and most of these phone manufacturers also make lower end phones with SD card slots.

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[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 13 points 9 months ago

I think for the majority of people 128 is plenty. If you need more than that you need to buy a phone with an SD slot. I've never had a phone without one personally.

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[-] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com 13 points 9 months ago

Everyone in this thread talking about phones more expensive than my car.

Speaking as a person with a $120 phone, I honestly don't have an issue with 128GB for a mobile device. I don't film on this thing daily, and the largest apps I have are Sonic Forces and Mario Kart, so I'm pretty much never going to have to worry about using the space up.

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[-] gamey@feddit.rocks 11 points 9 months ago

I am totally fine with 64 GB if I have a fucking SD card slot!!!

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[-] portside@monyet.cc 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My phone (redmi note 10) has a memory card slot and dual sim slots. I recently bought a 128Gb memory card for around 10$. I'll always go for a phone with a microSD slot.

[-] weedazz@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Cloud service is the reason to homelab

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[-] dog_@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Remember that Stock Android (or at least Pixel's android) doesn't even have a local backup. That's honestly ridiculous. I don't want to use your god damn cloud service Google. Especially coming from an iPhone, where you could backup your phone to a computer. Android not having it in AOSP/Stock is frankly ridiculous.

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[-] Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 9 months ago

I don't really have that problem myself, but I fully agree anyway. It does not matter what your use case is. It is 2023, flash storage is cheap and we can get much more storage for any other device for a fraction of the cost. $100 is ridiculously overpriced.

Honestly by now I would have expected 1 TB to be the default, but somehow we got stuck with low internal storage for the past 10 years.

[-] Wiener234@feddit.de 8 points 9 months ago

The only reason I haven't switch from my current phone(Huawei) to a Pixel with Graphene OS. How the fuck am I supposed to migrate the 190 Gb of used date to it when it only has 128 Gb and I can't use my SD-Card any longer.

I can live with loosing the headphone jack or the fingerprint on the back(even if that is pretty nice) but why would they need to takey storage options. ('Cause more money for them when I have to pay for there cloud)

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[-] figaro 8 points 9 months ago

You are an extreme outlier. Most people don't have that much stuff on their phone.

I agree it would be nice if phones started at 256gb, but honestly the average person won't come close to that in 2 years, even if they don't know about Google photos.

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[-] TheMadnessKing 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Well, I do get ur point but for 99% of the world out there, 128Gigs is honestly enough. Eg. I have around 70+ gigs free atm with a small music collection of 10-12 Gigs (all flacs) and some apps.

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[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 8 points 9 months ago

Google wants you to use their services. You don't want to use them, so you aren't the target market. That's ok, get something else.

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

How tf do you get 44GB of apps?

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[-] Fake4000@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

That's one reason why Samsung A phones are still in demand.

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