I view this as a fresh start. Cut off the old and grow a new one. Just like a gecko. I spent a lot of time on reddit but I can't say I ever actually connected with another person on it, there were just too many people on even the small subs I joined. Maybe lemmy will bring back the small internet forum feel and we'll actually be able to stand out from the crowd better and actually get to know each other.
I feel just a bit heartbroken but at the same time I really love the concept of lemmy.
I'm just a little afraid that lemmy is just a short-lived alternative and the people go back because not everything is working perfect right now.
That's definitely a risk. The main way of avoiding that is to stay active :D
I've been trying to jump for a long time now, I used tildes for a while, but it just didn't have enough content I'm interested in. Now it seems lemmy is gaining enough steam to be my primary social media.
Reddit really peaked with the Obama ama. After that it was all downhill, the place grew too quickly to keep its culture.
I sucks but I did the same thing with Digg when it turned to shit.
Not Reddit but I feel sad for Aaron Swartz. What a monster his creation became. Thankfully Lemmy exists to fill Reddit's place.
Not much. There's so much mod & admin abuse nowadays that I developed kind of a resentment. On top of that there's a lot of rude or downright hateful user behavior that seems to not just not get punished, but in some cases even encouraged. The only thing that lets me endure it for now is simply the community relevant content. As for kbin it needs exactly that. More users and content. Functionality of the site is good enough to be usable for me and will surely also improve but we really need the people and content to bring everything together.
I'm not 100% hating reddit right now, though I do hate them a lot. So not deleting my >10yo account or anything....but I do recognize that this is near the end.
The default app is garbage. I'm someone who likes my feed and interaction set up EXACTLY to my liking. So losing any customization, etc is just going to make me like it less, use it less, etc.
But I know that eventually, once they have control over how you interact with Reddit, it will only be a matter of time until it looks like Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter: ad-filled, "suggested content" GARBAGE. I honestly can't use any of those sites/apps anymore they're such cluttered wastelands, I don't know how people stand it.
So I guess less heartbroken, and more like dread as I know the enshittification of reddit is just getting started...
A little bit, there's a lot of specific subreddits I enjoyed browsing and talking in that have yet to reach a good critical mass here on Lemmy. I've been sharing my own custom Zelda monsters for Pathfinder 2e on the ZeldaTabletop subreddit and there's no substitute for that subreddit over here yet (I might make one once RiF dies on June 30th).
Yeah, totally. But I'm also finding extremely cool Lemmy and the concept behind the fediverse
12 years of reddit. It will take some time to adjust but I also switched from google to duckduckgo years ago after decades of google, and then too never looked back. Lemmy does need a LOT of work, still, but so did reddit in the early days..
To those working on Lemmy, please don't fuck this up for us. Don't be a spez.
It's also up to us not to fuck this up. Let's not turn this into a toxic hate-filled dystopia lol.
That will happen nonetheless, when more people start coming in. Its something that will just have to be managed.
On the other hand, I do hope that here on lemmy we will stop just kicking anybody with an opinion that we don't like. That will only cause echo chambers where everybody will repeat the same stupid opinions that will only get more extreme. We will have to listen to those that we don't agree with.
I'm sorry but no. I don't have to listen to Nazis. If they are allowed here, it will drive me and a lot of other people away. We had more than enough "free speech" experiments now. It always ended in these platforms being an insufferable cesspool of Nazis, conspiracy theorists, incels etc. and all sane people were driven away. It doesn't work. These people need to be deplatformed, that is the only way.
I respectfully disagree.
First of all, on Reddit I rarely ran into right wing extremists. Do you know who I ran into a LOT? Left wing extremists. That is what tends to happen when you start polarizing discussions (both sides) and then kick out one side. The other side just becomes an echo chamber.
Second of all, this is not a problem you can ignore. Its not as if these people just magically disappear into thin air once you ban them. You can't deplatform them because they'll just go to another place. Where will they go? To their own moderated places, which will allow much more extreme discussions, leading to more and more polarization and problems in the real world. I think part of the problem here is that we (collectively) stopped listening to people in minor disagreements, and instead of having reasoned arguments, just kicked these people out to the curb. I honestly think that that sort of behavior from the left side of the spectrum is what fueled US polarization which culminated in Donald Trump becoming president.
You may not want to have reasoned discussions with people who are more on the right side of your political spectrum, but you HAVE to. We all have to because if we don't, they will talk only amongst themselves and they will only fall deeper and deeper into their right wing pit. Have no illusion, the same goes for left wing extremism. Extremism on that end might still be milder, but its there alright.
I'd rather have a group of people with a few minor-and-controllable nutcases in it than a conform-with-the-rules group, and a group of dangerous terrorists outside that group.
There are examples where this was tried. It doesn't work. People who disagree with Nazis leave the platforms, so the result is the same.
The problem is that there are no Nazis. Nazi's stopped existing in 1945, anything after that are people that sympathize with some or all of its ideologies. The problem is that its a sliding scale and people these days are VERY trigger happy to call out NAZI! I've been called a Nazi on Reddit (and banned from multiple sub reddits) for literally arguing that I'm not sure how good an idea it is to give puberty blockers to kids that might be trans, specially because these blockers do have consequences later in life.
Great, now I'm a Nazi, apparently? Should I be banned now?
When IS a person a Nazi?
I've talked a LOT on reddit, I had over 130K karma over probably the same amount of messages. I don't recall talking to Nazi's much, if ever. I have had quite a few deep discussions with people on the far right part of the spectrum and it helped me a lot understanding them, where they come from, and why they have the ideas that they have. I call that progress. You can listen to somebody and politely agree to disagree.
What you are pushing for tends to end in censorship. Can't talk about naughty things now! Can't disagree with the masses! All look in the same direction! Don't dare to step out of line!
It also ends in situations where douchenozzles like Trump become president of the USA because the right feels like they no longer have a voice (which truthfully, is correct), so push back harder and extremer.
We MUST allow dissenting voices. Yes, if somebody scants "KILL THE JEWS!", you ban him of course. But if there is a conversation happening about, say, the "US bathroom issues" I think we should allow dissenting voices. As long as the conversations are respectful and thoughtful, the worst that could happen is progress.
You can theorize about semantics all you want, but don't try to gaslight someone who was physically attacked by actual, real Nazis, who describe themselves as Nazis and can't be seen as anything but Nazis.
TL;DR: You create neo-nazi's.
Nazi's are members of the Nazi party. Nazi's, like the party, no longer exists. What does exist are Neo-Nazi's. Semantics, perhaps, but when talking about "Nazi's", details become important. With that in mind, I wonder if you can tell a little more about who attacked you how?
In any case, I'm not theorizing nor gas lighting you. I'm talking about actual and serious problems that exist because of what you want.
I've been called a Nazi multiple times by, well frankly, by people like you. Why? Because I disagreed with them. Our disagreement here, for example, would be enough to call me a Nazi. I've been banned from multiple subreddits because of that. What happens here is that people with differing opinions get pushed away to places where they get pushed more and more in right extremist corners. What you want ends up in people getting more extremist. If you want to resolve that, if you want to avoid being attacked by neo-nazi's, then talk to people before they become extreme...
I've been banned from multiple subreddits because of that. What happens here is that people with differing opinions get pushed away to places where they get pushed more and more in right extremist corners. What you want ends up in people getting more extremist. If you want to resolve that, if you want to avoid being attacked by neo-nazi's, then talk to people before they become extreme...
This sounds like a threat
If you've been banned specifically because of people thinking you're a nazi, and you're arguing getting banned will push people to farther extremes, brother thats not a good look.
Not at all meant as a threat, just pragmatic thinking. If you don't allow mild dissenting or disagreeing opinions, which happened and still happens at reddit, those people you push out will go to other places where they'll find much more extremist people.
You're creating echo chambers at both sides. your side will never have anyone disagreeing anymore because all that did are pushed out and so your side gets more extremist over time. The other guys went to other places where they are welcome but ochtend with much more extremist opinions and so get more extremist as well.
Pushing people out for minor disagreements is a big part of the problem. Heck, I think there is a good argument to be made about that behavior causing trump yo be elected. People being pushed out of normal discussions flock together in the crazy parts of town and cause much more mayhem that way.
And if you're saying you only block out Nazis, then next thing that happens is that people will say "you don't perfectly agree with me on every point? YOU NAZI, BEGONE!".
It doesn't solve anything. I'm not here to be comfortable with all opinions, I'm here to talk with people, have reasoned discussions, something which caused me to be banned from toi many reddit subs already.
And before you start calling me a nazi for disagreeing with you (you already claimed I'm threatening) I'm not. I'm a white guy married to a woman of a different color and race, I live in another country as a minority myself, I'm not perfectly straight, so I'd say I fall in all the popular groups du jour. I'm just another normal guy who -so far- has been trying to have a reasoned discussion about the pros of allowing people to raise disagreeing or dissenting voices.
I'm used to the layout of RIF and my niche subreddits NCD/Ukraine Conflict, NBA but I'm posting here and trying to add to the community. Hoping for a better mobile app one day though:X
@Acetamide I don't understand why though. We live in a capitalist system, and therefore Reddit has to make money in order to survive. On the current path, Reddit won't exist AT ALL. So we either get a Reddit with some fees that devs don't like, or no Reddit at all.
No, actually, I used reddit just to pass time, never really engaged in the community, and without this whole debacle I wouldn't have found out about lemmy and the fediverse as a whole, which is really exciting and a new part of the internet (for me) that feels like a breath of fresh air after years of everything being so centralized around very few companies, I'm getting a vibe of the internet from 15-20 years ago, exploring the wild west of the internet.
I actually feel more relieved. It has become toxic and dominated by bots. As soon as a real person posts anything, it's immediately down voted
I'm enjoying Lemmy much more. Reminds me of the internet of old.
A bit. Reddit has been a big part of my life for over a decade. If I lost access to all of those communities, it would be really unfortunate and hard to accept. I'll miss being able to get amazing advice or insightful comments just by adding "reddit" to my google search.
I think the spirit of Reddit will live on though, I doubt that everyone will just vanish and we'll all be stuck on subpar platforms like Twitter, Facebook, or Tiktok.
I'm really excited about the possibility of the new "Reddit" being a federated, self-hostable platform like Lemmy, and solving these periodic exodii issues once and for all! No more dictators deciding the direction the community should go. I'm really impressed with what Lemmy has accomplished so far with its code and its community.
Just speaking for myself, I find absolutely no interest in those platforms you mention: they do not show any really depth if you know what I mean. I love going around various sublemmies (if that's the word) and discussing these absolute niches.
I'm permanently suspended anyway, there's no way back. They somehow find me if I create a new account lol
Yes. I loved Reddit for a LONG time. They started to crumble in my opinion when the added these Snooavatars, which later turned into a NFT scheme. I never bothered with these. The promise of the website was awesome though. Being able to follow interests and communities instead of people was a completely new concept, which I had never seen before. Now it feels like the corporate greed has finally completely taken over.
Time to jump ship.
I feel that. Reddit's bit of an addiction for me. I don't use other social media so it became my one stop shop for news, inspiration, and to connect with all the little niche intrest.
Oddly, I was frequently just doom scrolling r/all to see what was going on the the world. And when I ran out of revent stuff if just sort by new. Super unhealthy behavior.
Hopfully this transition will help me slow down a bit and get back to reality.
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