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[ COMMUNITY UPDATE ] - A Note on piracy and Lemmy.world's decision to ban piracy communities - 2023-08-14 (lemmy.ml)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml to c/plex@lemmy.ml
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As you may know, Lemmy.world has decided to ban any communities that deal with the subjects of piracy. Considering that this sub might be considered piracy-adjacent, I'd like to make it clear that discussing the subject directly is not allowed, nor is requesting/offering Plex shares in posts or comments.

This is a community for discussing Plex products, serivices, add-ons, etc. and getting adivce and support or those apps/services. It's not a place to discuss piracy. I understand this is a fine line to walk and requires a certain amount of compartmentalization in our discussions, but it's what keeps our discussions from becoming legally problematic (depending on your jurisdiction) for our instance hosts and keeps our community federated with and visible to as many users as possible!

Thanks, Everyone!

-- The Mod Team

EDIT: it should be noted that discussions that may involve piracy ARE PERMITTED (as it pertains to Plex and its add-ons) in our Matrix community chats (linked above and in the sidebar), as they’re not Lemmy-related and aren’t going to get this community in trouble here. However, all other rules still apply.

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[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Fucking stupid decisions from lemmy world admins, time to make an account elsewhere it seems. Might just go to dbzeros instance

[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Beauty of lemmy is you can still enjoy .world and any other instance no matter that particular instances policies

[-] bauhaus@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

eh… lemmy.world is based in the US, so they’re liable for anything that gets federated there, as that stuff is not technically hosted on their servers. it’s not because they object to it, it’s just protecting themselves from dumb laws.

edit: oops, not hosted in the US ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] ribboo@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

They are not. They are hosted by a German company, with servers in Finland. By a Dutch dude.

[-] bauhaus@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

oops, my bad!

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

So has Reddit and piracy has been one of the biggest subs since the start of the site.

[-] bauhaus@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

reddit also has the money to pay for lawyers to defend itself from frivolous legal bullshit (and non-frivolous legal threats). lemmy instance admins don’t. I don’t blame them for playing it safe if their local laws make their lives difficult.

there are plenty of other instances to choose from.

[-] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Reddit has a history of not giving a shit about its subreddits until it harms advertising/revenue

Prime Example: Pedo subs until they became a national news story.

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

They were fairly strict on moderating any direct links and such

[-] bauhaus@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

yeah. it was always a game of euphemisms and such there. how strict the enforcement was was always a game of pushing boundaries, getting snapped back by the admins, waves of bans and such, then more boundary-pushing. that went on for years.

[-] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

If it was any other regular website like reddit it would just get completely shut down. Like others have said, this is the strength of federation.

[-] yukichigai@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Literally they are not. DMCA Safe Harbor provisions specifically make them not liable for content posted by others until it is brought to their attention by a rights holder or some regulatory agency.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

here’s the thing about that: it takes going to court to argue that and hoping you get a favorable ruling.

and that’s very, very expensive and you could be shut down via injunction until that happens, which could take years.

and even if the lemmy.world admin could afford hundred of thousands or millions in legal fees to win a case against the RIAA and/or MPAA, why would they want to risk it?

[-] JasonHears@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I can understand limiting direct links to torrent sites or copyrighted works, but this “discussing the subject directly is not allowed” is pretty overbearing. Whoever is labeling Plex as “piracy-adjacent” shows a generally uninformed opinion on Plex.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

uninformed opinion or not, I’d like to play it safe and ensure this community stays open and viewable to as many people as possible. I know the Plex subreddit ran into issues in the past, and I’d like to avoid them.

please follow the rules and keep in mind that this sub is of discussing Plex and its addons, not piracy. there are other places for that.

EDIT: it should be noted that discussions that may involve piracy ARE PERMITTED (as it pertains to Plex and its add-ons) in our Matrix community chats (linked above and in the sidebar), as they’re not Lemmy-related and aren’t going to get this community in trouble here. However, all other rules still apply.

[-] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Wtf? What are non pirate uses for Plex?

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

you’re perfectly free to discuss that elsewhere (well, in most places, that is).

in this community we discuss how to install, configure, troubleshoot, etc. Plex and plex add-ons as well as features and so on.

Where or how you acquire your content (with the exception of Plex streaming content) is irrelevant and not an appropriate subject for conversation here if it involves piracy.

Sorry.

EDIT: it should be noted that discussions that may involve piracy ARE PERMITTED (as it pertains to Plex and its add-ons) in our Matrix community chats (linked above and in the sidebar), as they’re not Lemmy-related and aren’t going to get this community in trouble here. However, all other rules still apply.

[-] ParkingPsychology@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago

Self censorship is the best kind of censorship. If you're an oppressor of speech, that is.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

free speech is never guaranteed on private platforms, and it’s explicitly not permitted in moderated communities. you even had to agree to a code of conduct which limits your speech when you created you account. if you came here expecting that, you came to the wrong place.

your participation here is a privilege conditional on your adherence to a social contract which, if you violate, will be revoked. keep that in mind. your freedom is to follow the rules or exercise your freedoms elsewhere.

EDIT: it should be noted that discussions that may involve piracy ARE PERMITTED (as it pertains to Plex and its add-ons) in our Matrix community chats (linked above and in the sidebar), as they’re not Lemmy-related and aren’t going to get this community in trouble here. However, all other rules still apply.

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