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Why would communist support capitalists like Putin and Xi-Jinping which aren't better than Liberal-capitalists ?

I am all in for stopping liberal capitalism, but I am more interested in implementing a happinex index like Buthan than living in oligarch-capitalist-regime like Russia/China

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[-] Followupquestion@lemmy.ml 97 points 1 year ago

Basically they’ve bought into the idea that the West, neoliberal capitalists to the core, is the root of all evils, so the leaders opposing the West must be good. Unfortunately, the enemy of my enemy isn’t my friend when it comes to geopolitics.

[-] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 46 points 1 year ago

Because they can't go beyond "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" level of logic.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 29 points 1 year ago

By the mental gymnastics they have applied to make Stalins brand of communism into their ideal they have actually learned to embrace authoritarianism.

They think that the only way that communism can be manifested is by first destroying the western capitalist society and they think Putin and Xi will help in this endeavor.

It's quite delusional (as both are openly embracing capitalism) and quite the opposite of how Marx thought communism would take place, but that's what they seem to think.

[-] Micromot@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago

I don't understand either, I want capitalism to stop but not by making life worse like that

[-] Levsgetso@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because for them hate for the west comes first and foremost, and after that comes their ideology. That’s why anyone who opposes the west is good in their eyes.

[-] skillissuer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

because they are campists: if america bad, then everyone who opposes america good. support for land-grabbing nationalists like putin is one thing, but some even support iranian government

[-] skogens_ro@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

They're authoritarian and they hate the west. Of course they're appealing to communists.

Western commies idolising brutal authoritarian regimes is nothing new.

[-] Caoldence222@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Well if you're going to be so specific as to say "genzedong-style", maybe pay attention to the "zedong" part? Presumably they believe in socialism-with-chinese-characteristics as a path towards communism.

Putin idk, in my experience they usually only support russia insofar as it undermines the hegemony of the United States, whose consolidated power over global affairs has been a major blocker of left wing movements worldwide since ww2. But there are some who seem to take it more seriously than that and either are too caught up in the memes or legitimately don't understand that modern russia is a capitalist hellscape.

[-] Candelestine@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Basically because there's enough people on the planet that some are going fall into any camp that gets created. People seek their own identities, which sometimes involves moving away from things other people are believing in.

Possibly an adaptation to keep the species from getting too complacent, which we're a little inclined towards otherwise, probably due to our social nature. It's a vulnerable state though, can't have the whole species going extinct every time an ice age comes.

[-] hoodlem@hoodlem.me 2 points 1 year ago

It's bizarre. Both countries have moved away from communism. Russia is ruled by oligarchs. Xi-Jinping's stated goals are to move China to a modern socialist nation while staying in keeping with China's culture. His actions are the opposite—China has become more and more capitalist while maintaining authoritarian leadership.

[-] ZeroCarbon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Comparing China to Russia is laughable.

One has a competent government the other doesn't.

[-] redballooon@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

All the more perplexing that there’s Putin support.

[-] Caoldence222@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

quoting my other comment:

in my experience they usually only support russia insofar as it undermines the hegemony of the United States, whose consolidated power over global affairs has been a major blocker of left wing movements worldwide since ww2. But there are some who seem to take it more seriously than that and either are too caught up in the memes or legitimately don’t understand that modern russia is a capitalist hellscape.

[-] DaBai@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago

This is a ridiculously loaded question.

The use of the dollar as a big stick for military base expansion and funding of forever wars across the world is directly threatened by the creation of a multipolar world. While Russia has amble things that can be criticized for, there is critical support as the defeat of NATO forces combined with the expansion of BRICS and China's BRI has created space for many countries in the world to cease their dependence on the united states while ending the funding of a military that authoritatively declared itself the world police.

Based on this data I would come to the conclusion that China is doing a good job, not to mention Covid-19 where majority of the western countries subjected large amounts of the population to a disease and continues to make allowances for anti-vaccine misinfo advocates.

Chinese homeownership is 89% compared to the united states 65% under Xi Jinping's tenure

Chinese poverty has continued to decrease under Xi Jinping's tenure

Chinese literacy rate has continued to increase and is higher than the United States

Chinese maternal mortality rate has continued to decrease while the Untied States is increasing

China's homicide rate has continued to decrease while the United States is increasing

China's suicide rate has continued to decrease while the United States is increasing

https://www.macrotrends.net/

[-] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Don't get me wrong, I don't say that US are great or whatever. I say that as a socialist, modern China is pretty far from the kind of society I would like to build, and just like I blame some comrade for falling in the social liberal trap, I blame others for falling in the anything against US is good trap

[-] sarsaparilyptus@lemmy.fmhy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Wumao begone

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