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Critique (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world

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I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don't, you weren't paying attention.

Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton's campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we're being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election "We're about to get Brexited." I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980's.

Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They're the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump's mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.

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[–] Grebes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hubris may have lead to Clinton’s loss but Trump voters made him win. If the powers that be didn’t fully understand the hostility of voters that lead to Trump’s victory then maybe they are not as smart as they think they are but not actively malicious. Trump is actively malicious and surrounds himself with the same. The Democratic Party may have tipped the scales a bit for Hillary but they also must have thought she would get the most votes and was one of the most qualified candidates from either party. I’m not going to defend the two party system but only one is pushing for ranked choice voting, electing by popular vote, and reducing voting restrictions. Not voting or third party isn’t going to make this any better

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Not voting or third party isn’t going to make this any better

I made this post because of bullshit ass assumptions like this. I voted for fucking Clinton with gritted teeth and the same for fucking Biden. I know the fucking stakes, I vote for fucking Democrats, but even in the response to this meme I've got chucklefucks assuming they know what's on my mind or what I'm arguing here.

What do you assholes want from us, a pound of fucking flesh? You already have our fucking votes!

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Really? I voted for Jill Stein, and none of the discussion on Reddit leading up to it was deterring me from doing that.

Seeing the results of the 2016 election, which again ended in an insurrection, is specifically why I won't be voting third party for this one.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago

I'm an old, I'd been aware of Trump for a long time. I wasn't willing to risk him trying to become a dictator, the guy had been a suck-up to dictators long before his run in 2016.

Being willing to critique the party for failing to match the wits of a fucking orange idiot didn't set well with a lot of folks.

The conversations weren't changing my opinions either, they were just frustrating and eye-rolling, just as they are now.

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People attribute a lot more competence to the DNC then they've really demonstrated.

Like yeah HRC might have legitimately thought that way about Trump, but if her own campaigning didn't win the election for herself suggesting it's what put Trump over the finish line or even that it was of any significant contribution is pretty disingenuous.

Not to mention how the DNC and HRC aren't able to mind control voters, like 99% of attempts to make Trump into the DNC boogeyman's fault ignore the choice voters made to vote for him or to just not vote for Clinton, and the "shoved Clinton down our throats" narrative is pretty racist since it basically casts Clinton's primary win through significant support by the black and poc vote as illegitimate.

We almost had a double down on that shit in 2020 but the "low information voter" dog whistlers just decided to blame everything on Clyburn this time.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I mean, I wouldn't really say my critique is that they're "competent." Hubris does not imply competence.

I would say elevating someone like Trump because you think it's an easy win falls under "incompetent."

Clinton isn't the only reason he won, but acting like her campaign didn't have an impact on Trump, and that her campaign centering him isn't also part of why he ended up the nominee is acting like she never had any influence or impact at all, is also not true.

Clinton's campaign literally had press access and so to act like her campaign didn't influence what the media discussed is also brazenly ignoring what happened. Did she make Trump President? No. Did she give him way more opportunity to win than he would have had otherwise? Yes.

You don't have to be competent for that.

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Ehhhh, attributing the boatload of free coverage trump racked up as the result of the Clinton campaign seems a little silly.

Every network ran trump coverage because it was ratings gold. I remember many non political friends who couldn't wait to watch the debates for the sheer idiocy.

I'd say it's true to say that Clinton wanted to elevate trump. But it also seems ludicrous to suggest the only reason he got through the republican primaries was because of Clinton's deep and friendly contacts in the right wing traditional and social media wings. (Just imagine the poor Clinton staffer calling up Breitbart.)

Edit: Just look at the list of press contacts. Do you think any Republican primary voters were waiting on Rachel Maddow or Ronan Farrow's opinion?!?

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This is ignoring the iceberg that sunk the titanic and focusing on the shoes of the lookout man for being too comfortable so the guy wasn't as uninsurable aware as you think he should have been.

"I literally do blame the lookout guy's shoes for the boat sinking, and if you don't, you aren't paying attention"

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago

Actually it's a lot more like if the lookout told the captain that he saw an iceberg and the captain was like "You know, I think we'll do better if we just get a little closer to it first..."

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