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Yes. If you read up on industrial meat production, the industry is rife with human rights abuses as well.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago

I’m not like super into trigger warnings, but if you’re gonna read up on industrial meat production, you need to be emotionally prepared.

[-] wafflez@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

In addition to this, it's especially prevalent in lower income neighborhoods where people have limited job opportunities, dispoportionally affecting POC. Often as well to get citizenship opportunities in countries they will only accept you if you agree to work in a slaughterhouse, because no one else will.

[-] KeepFlying@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

At least in very dramatic extremes, yes there's at least a correlation between horrific animal abuse and psychopathy.

No idea if that extends to more run of the mill actions.

[-] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think it's taught there's some correlation between psychopathy and malicious treatment of animals, even small insects (capturing ants or spiders to pull their legs off, or similar behavior), but not casual disregard of the value of insect life or animals considered vermin (like stomping on bugs that startle you or using mouse traps to deal with infestation)

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[-] squiblet@kbin.social 25 points 10 months ago

Serial killers often start out by torturing and killing animals in childhood.

[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

I kill bugs all over the place. Only a matter of time before I take my neighbor out.

No but seriously, the torturing animals thing is a big sign.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 24 points 10 months ago

“Killing destroys the root of compassion”

— buddha

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

I'm pretty sure my opinion on mosquitoes does not reflect my attitude or behavior towards humans.

[-] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago

Well, it did say harmless. Mosquitoes cause more than 700000 deaths per year.

[-] dullbananas@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago
[-] Quexotic@infosec.pub 8 points 10 months ago

I dunno, I've met some bitterly unkind vegans that might answer this question for you pretty conclusively.

[-] dullbananas@lemmy.ca -1 points 10 months ago
[-] Quexotic@infosec.pub 0 points 10 months ago

Kinda. We referred to them as "militant vegans"

Maybe I just need to meet nice vegans. Lol

[-] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

I've met a bunch. Usually takes a while to find out they're vegan. Aside from maybe having something in their cubicle, I've never found em to be preachy or anything. Honestly I've only experienced harsh vegan kickback online.

[-] sizzler@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

It's not easy to like someone who is telling you to change your behaviour especially when they clearly think you are a murderer.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I asked myself this the other day: Why do I have empathy for most animals, but when it comes to insects, I just don't give a single fuck? If I accidentally stepped on a kitten I didn't see, I'd be emotionally fucked up. But when I step on a snail I didn't notice until hearing the crunch, I don't feel bad in the slightest.

It's not because they are pests, I don't think. I don't like killing mice and rats, either and opt for non-lethal means of removal if and when I have a problem with them in my home. But I'll straight genocide bugs in my space.

[-] AnotherExist@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

idk I'd feel bad stepping on a snail...maybe it's the size or the crunch. But smaller insect ye i dont care.

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think there are two main reasons:

  1. insects don't emote in a way we can perceive. The ones that do typically express it by secreting some kind of chemical which we either can't perceive or can't intuitively interpret. So if it's in pain, we can't really tell.

  2. a lot of insects pose a challenge to our own survival. For example, insects getting into our food can make us sick. Some insects spread disease by contact or biting. This has caused humans to develop an instinct to fear, avoid, and/or kill insects on sight.

[-] Ilflish@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

I feel awful when I step on a snail. But stuff like gnatt flies, it's like I've given your friends so much leverage letting them out and now you're taking advantage by breeding in my plants and flying into my nose

[-] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago

I think there is a difference.

Basically all animals will attack other animals when they invade their home space. Even insects do so and it can be brutal. Speaking outside of human moral constructs, you wouldn't be out of line for killing a rat or even a cat that was unwelcome in your home. Life will do what it can to ensure survival.

But it's easier to feel empathy for what is more similar to us. So, mammals, for example. Domesticated and tame animals that have adapted to humans.

I suggest making small efforts to cultivate compassion even for the creepiest insects, by taking a cup, bowl, or piece of paper and taking them outside. Now it could be argued whether this is doing them any favors, but I feel better about that compared to just smashing them.

It may sound ridiculous but yes I did reach the point where I am affected by any life I take, and really strive to avoid it where possible. I have "mutual arrangements" with a variety of insects in my house, such as small spiders. They stay out of my way, and I let them take care of other insects that slip through the cracks.

[-] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 10 months ago

Probably because most invertebrates are not known to be sentient?

[-] dullbananas@lemmy.ca -1 points 10 months ago
[-] tslnox@reddthat.com 4 points 10 months ago

Baby don't hurt me :-D

[-] undeffeined@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Isn't dehumanization a tool to allow mass cruelty towards people?

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 9 months ago

Those were some really mature answers you got there. /s

The reason imo why we think its ok to treat bugs bad is because of hierarchy. We expect bugs to be beneath us and those who treat other humans bad largely come off as if others were beneath them. It is enforced through our competitive capitalist system. It gets drilled into us by playing mostly competitive games.

I think to solve this, one could ask why we rarely play cooperative games. Its always about domination and „proving yourself“. This benefits those in power because we‘re less likely to cooperate and not need their approval anymore. Its even in most movies.

Thats how we devalue bugs and other „vermin“. As someone who has lizards I touch grasshoppers (food) a lot and they are quite interesting and I cant stand if they die slowly. I‘m aware that their lives are worth something but I also aknowledge that my lizards need protein at times. I view it through the lens of potential. Humans have the potential to fly to the stars, bugs have the potential to keep our biodiversity running (=very important).

[-] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

First humans started to treat animals bad.

Later they started to treat other humans 'like animals'.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago
[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

I teach my kids not to kill bugs unless they are doing something bad or dangerous, otherwise just move them.

Killing things should not be a default action for convenience sake.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Live with roaches once. You'll change your mind.

[-] ArumiOrnaught@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

Tbf, roaches I feel would be covered under his "bad or dangerous" clause.

I've picked up wolf spiders before, but if there is a black widow inside I'll smash it. Can't risk them harming me or the ones I look after.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm no expert in bug identification. More legs = worse

[-] ArumiOrnaught@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Idk man, a lot of sea bugs have more leg and I want them in my mouth.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

That's because salt and enough real competition for them to evolve meat!

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, roaches get squished.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Existing too close to me with that many legs is a crime.

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[-] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Y'all think you're above the ick while you're going around trying to drag people down.

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 2 points 10 months ago

Cmon now, don't really need to roleplay here

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I'm glad someone got it. 🤣

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[-] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago

Had just clicked away from this post when I saw you comment. I need you to know that I came back just to ensure I upvoted your post (or whatever we call those here).

[-] metaStatic@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago

Had just clicked away and had to come back to let you know we call those pointless here.

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[-] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago

A boost? I'm not familiar with what that is. That's not a Lemmy thing is it?

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it's a fediverse thing. think of it like a re-tweet.

I sometimes forget Lemmy is a totally different place. Gave you a boost, let me know if it does anything there.

[-] dullbananas@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago
[-] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

No, they're ok unless there's way too many and even then I dont super mine them.

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