I can't speak for everyone but I don't see much out there that gives me the ground to tell someone else how to live their life. So until it affects me or someone else, I have a hard time justifying violence, which is where the "live and let live" thing comes from.

I think that gets a lot of people in the door, and then the reality gets messy. But I don't think that central principle is trash. And the first part of caring for someone else is recognizing their rights as an individual. It's why the party was the first to include marriage equality explicitly as part of their platform nearly four decades before democrats. When democratic presidents and presidential candidates were pushing DOMA, libertarians had had as a tent pole for decades already. And that is the fundamental difference: it's not good enough to have a government that agrees good things are good, they can change their mind and have a bad track record. The libertarian view is that it ought to be a high-bar for anyone to presume the ability to intrude on what's your business alone.

So yes, there's a lot of mess where the rubber meets the road, but there's a lot of good there. A lot of people eventually realize as nice and simple as what I just said above is, there's very precious little in this world that is exclusively "your business alone". Still, the principles a good enough starting point, and you'll find a lot of people are pretty open to things if they're a net positive and applied equitably. You'll find a lot of libertarians that are way more opposed to subsidizing the likes of lockheed martin than they are about medicare for all or food stamps. Hell, there are people that still consider themselves libertarians who are proponents of UBI.

I had hoped the party would siphon off some of the more reasonable republicans rather than catch the crazy itself. Sadly that's not how it played out. Add that to the crazies ("age of consent is a violation of my rights!"), and I 100% get your take. But man... I don't know about you but I'd sleep much better in a Garry Johnson/Biden election than a DeSantis/Biden election.

It's the sort of thing that people think they are until they look around and it's just people who don't want to pay taxes, and by extension believe that poor people deserve to die.

Republicans are just libertarians who've realised they can weaponise the crazies to win elections.

Libertarianism is a very wide spectrum and isn't really nailed down to a single ideology. There's forms of socialism, capitalism, and communism with libertarian counterparts.

I don't really say this outloud because people get the wrong idea but I consider myself a libertarian, but I do not associate with any party (especially not the de facto american libertarian party)

My beliefs are this:

• You should be free to do as you wish that does not impede on the freedoms of others. For instance, you should be free to use substances as you wish, but you shouldn't be free to operate a motor vehicle or heavy machinery under the influence because it is dangerous and could injure or kill someone, therefore impeding their freedoms.

• The government should have minimal involvement in regulating the people, and the people themselves play a role in governing the country. Get rid of the electoral college, popular vote should be the way to win elections.

• I have absolutely nothing against taxes, but I think the people should have a choice on where their tax dollars go on an individual level. Everyone gets a budget set accordingly to their income, and the individual chooses (at least a percentage) of where their tax dollars go. Every year when tax time comes, you record this to be audited. This way the government can still allocate funds where needed, but they can't overinflate anything's budget without the approval of the people, or vice versa. BTW, no tax cuts for "charitable donations", if you truly wish to be charitable, then you can donate along with your taxes :).

This is unironically the best approach in my opinion. Not looking to start a debate or anything, just thought I'd give my .02. I know the system may not be perfect, but no system is.

What's chomsky's solution for bears?