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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 146 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Celebrating the confederacy is wrong, but I also think museum-like stuff and graveyards are harmless and should be respected. First of all, not everyone who served had much of a choice. Many were expected to serve on one side or the other merely because of where they lived. This is true of much of history. Second, they're dead. It's over for these specific people. They're not a current problem. It's just disrespectful no matter who it is.

I am NOT defending anything confederate, but I know that nuance is lost on most people.

[–] zanyllama52@infosec.pub 33 points 2 years ago

I'm in total agreement, and have visited many union and confederate historical sites (graveyards, prisons, battlefields), which have been invaluable sources of information.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I broadly agree, but would point out that the huge number of statues erected during the civil rights era, celebrating people that led a traitorous war to defend slavery have little to no historical value, and were put in place to send a message echoing what those confederate leaders fought for.

We teach about the Nazis without celebrating them - I don't see why the Confederates should be any different.

[–] blaine@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I don't see any statues in this photo. Nobody here is talking about celebrating the Confederate soldiers, only suggesting that their graves shouldn't be pissed on.

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[–] Sekrayray@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I’ve been to this cemetery and house—the staff are beyond amazing when it comes to putting things into context. There’s even a giant sign before you enter that says something to the effect “Take a moment of somber silence before you enter, humans were enslaved here.” They’ve also done a lot of work with local black historians to try and trace the genealogy of slaves from the plantation and restore the slave quarters to show how horrific it all was.

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[–] Sunfoil@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Please don't actually disrespect these graves.

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[–] butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And how many of those corpses were poor white trash duped into fighting to preserve a rich man's status quo?

I'm betting 98%.

[–] dankm@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Without looking and never studying American history, I bet >3% of the confederate soldiers were black slave soldiers fighting because their "owners" made them..

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

You'd be wrong. Few things terrified the white southern aristocracy as much as the prospect of armed black folk. There was a black militia in Louisiana which, inexplicably*, offered its services to the Confederacy. The Confederacy quite vehemently declined.

*well, not really inexplicably, but getting into race relations in former colonial French holdings and tbqh I don't feel like going through that right now

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I think this is rather distasteful.

Whatever side they fought on it would do well to remember that these people too have their stories. How many were dragged in to fight in the meat grinder, no matter their opinions?

Even German graves from WWII are typically left alone because they already paid the ultimate price.

Edit: if anything, this should serve as a reminder what war really is and why we should always avoid it if we can

[–] Landmammals@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

There's an old saying that the Civil War was "a rich man's war, but a poor man's fight".

The National Parks Service put this together, and I think it really shows the people who died were fighting for a variety of reasons. It doesn't mean we should glorify the Confederacy, but the people in that cemetery deserve their peace.

https://www.nps.gov/apco/planyourvisit/upload/Why-Confederates-Fought-Final.pdf

Rush Limbaugh's grave, on the other hand, will always be a gender-neutral bathroom.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If John Bell Hood had had his head blown off instead of his leg, he'd probably be remembered as fondly as Jackson.

Fortunately (for the Union), he survived to "defend" Atlanta, then invade Tennessee. The Battle of Franklin being in that comedy of errors. The base wasn't named after him until 1942. By people who read enough history to know Hood commanded the Texas brigade, but not enough to know how he commanded it.

I salute General Hood on account that he's responsible for more dead Confederates than any two Union Generals.

[–] SoonaPaana@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Story time? Please?

[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (8 children)

The number of Confederate apologists in this thread is frankly insane. "Oh no! Someone is making jokes about pissing on the graves of traitors and slavers! What if there were some innocent people in there?? I mean, I realize that it's going to be really difficult to find someone who was so insanely stupid to not be aware that they were fighting for slavers and traitors, but what if they exist???!?! Are you going to piss on their grave, too!!!???!"

[–] arc@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (30 children)

No, I think it's recognition that whatever crimes you think they've done, they've paid for it already in a permanent way. So joking about pissing on their graves (160 years later ffs) is ill taste. Feel free to smear shit or graffiti over confederate statues that seek to glorify the cause rather than memorialize the dead though since that is not the same thing.

I also think most common soldiers in the confederate army fought for no higher reason than they were drafted and had little choice; or they signed up to defend their state against an existential threat. If you look at recruitment posters of the time, they're talking of northern invaders raping and pillaging their women, property and lands.

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[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

This meme makes me miss the old ShermanPosting subreddit. Excellent post

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's actually a ShermanPosting community here I made in honor of the old one!

https://kbin.social/m/ShermanPosting

[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Hell yeah! Subscribed :)

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

We need a Sherman posting Lemmy sub

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

The best way to celebrate confederate generals is by melting down statues dedicated to them during the civil rights era and re-casting them into urinals

[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My uncle will be turned into a toilet when he dies. That’s he get’s for being a forced birther.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

Apparently civility politics is back in style for pleading for sympathy for... [checks notes] people who fought to uphold one of the most brutal forms of an already brutal institution in defense of white supremacy.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Won’t someone think of the slaveowners?

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[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Tbh pave it for a parking lot

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