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[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 146 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Celebrating the confederacy is wrong, but I also think museum-like stuff and graveyards are harmless and should be respected. First of all, not everyone who served had much of a choice. Many were expected to serve on one side or the other merely because of where they lived. This is true of much of history. Second, they're dead. It's over for these specific people. They're not a current problem. It's just disrespectful no matter who it is.

I am NOT defending anything confederate, but I know that nuance is lost on most people.

[-] zanyllama52@infosec.pub 33 points 10 months ago

I'm in total agreement, and have visited many union and confederate historical sites (graveyards, prisons, battlefields), which have been invaluable sources of information.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I broadly agree, but would point out that the huge number of statues erected during the civil rights era, celebrating people that led a traitorous war to defend slavery have little to no historical value, and were put in place to send a message echoing what those confederate leaders fought for.

We teach about the Nazis without celebrating them - I don't see why the Confederates should be any different.

[-] blaine@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

I don't see any statues in this photo. Nobody here is talking about celebrating the Confederate soldiers, only suggesting that their graves shouldn't be pissed on.

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[-] Sekrayray@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

I’ve been to this cemetery and house—the staff are beyond amazing when it comes to putting things into context. There’s even a giant sign before you enter that says something to the effect “Take a moment of somber silence before you enter, humans were enslaved here.” They’ve also done a lot of work with local black historians to try and trace the genealogy of slaves from the plantation and restore the slave quarters to show how horrific it all was.

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[-] Sunfoil@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago

Please don't actually disrespect these graves.

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[-] butt_mountain_69420@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago

And how many of those corpses were poor white trash duped into fighting to preserve a rich man's status quo?

I'm betting 98%.

[-] dankm@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

Without looking and never studying American history, I bet >3% of the confederate soldiers were black slave soldiers fighting because their "owners" made them..

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You'd be wrong. Few things terrified the white southern aristocracy as much as the prospect of armed black folk. There was a black militia in Louisiana which, inexplicably*, offered its services to the Confederacy. The Confederacy quite vehemently declined.

*well, not really inexplicably, but getting into race relations in former colonial French holdings and tbqh I don't feel like going through that right now

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I think this is rather distasteful.

Whatever side they fought on it would do well to remember that these people too have their stories. How many were dragged in to fight in the meat grinder, no matter their opinions?

Even German graves from WWII are typically left alone because they already paid the ultimate price.

Edit: if anything, this should serve as a reminder what war really is and why we should always avoid it if we can

[-] Landmammals@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

There's an old saying that the Civil War was "a rich man's war, but a poor man's fight".

The National Parks Service put this together, and I think it really shows the people who died were fighting for a variety of reasons. It doesn't mean we should glorify the Confederacy, but the people in that cemetery deserve their peace.

https://www.nps.gov/apco/planyourvisit/upload/Why-Confederates-Fought-Final.pdf

Rush Limbaugh's grave, on the other hand, will always be a gender-neutral bathroom.

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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

If John Bell Hood had had his head blown off instead of his leg, he'd probably be remembered as fondly as Jackson.

Fortunately (for the Union), he survived to "defend" Atlanta, then invade Tennessee. The Battle of Franklin being in that comedy of errors. The base wasn't named after him until 1942. By people who read enough history to know Hood commanded the Texas brigade, but not enough to know how he commanded it.

I salute General Hood on account that he's responsible for more dead Confederates than any two Union Generals.

[-] SoonaPaana@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Story time? Please?

[-] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This meme makes me miss the old ShermanPosting subreddit. Excellent post

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 15 points 10 months ago

There's actually a ShermanPosting community here I made in honor of the old one!

https://kbin.social/m/ShermanPosting

[-] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Hell yeah! Subscribed :)

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

We need a Sherman posting Lemmy sub

[-] elbucho@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

The number of Confederate apologists in this thread is frankly insane. "Oh no! Someone is making jokes about pissing on the graves of traitors and slavers! What if there were some innocent people in there?? I mean, I realize that it's going to be really difficult to find someone who was so insanely stupid to not be aware that they were fighting for slavers and traitors, but what if they exist???!?! Are you going to piss on their grave, too!!!???!"

[-] arc@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No, I think it's recognition that whatever crimes you think they've done, they've paid for it already in a permanent way. So joking about pissing on their graves (160 years later ffs) is ill taste. Feel free to smear shit or graffiti over confederate statues that seek to glorify the cause rather than memorialize the dead though since that is not the same thing.

I also think most common soldiers in the confederate army fought for no higher reason than they were drafted and had little choice; or they signed up to defend their state against an existential threat. If you look at recruitment posters of the time, they're talking of northern invaders raping and pillaging their women, property and lands.

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[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

The best way to celebrate confederate generals is by melting down statues dedicated to them during the civil rights era and re-casting them into urinals

[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

My uncle will be turned into a toilet when he dies. That’s he get’s for being a forced birther.

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[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Apparently civility politics is back in style for pleading for sympathy for... [checks notes] people who fought to uphold one of the most brutal forms of an already brutal institution in defense of white supremacy.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Won’t someone think of the slaveowners?

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[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Tbh pave it for a parking lot

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