we are going to give clanker rights before we have trans rights 💀
this post was submitted on 08 Oct 2026
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My guess is that they use people's interaction as training data and they don't want their training data to get poisoned.
Not really, as they could just filter with a cheap classifier and likely aren't using the data from randos in a meaningful way, plus for this like this would still be able to use those samples to train things like "how to handle a hostile user."
Their models already have an end_conversation tool that can be used for when users are being hostile to the model.
This is likely because they have edge cases of users who repeatedly trigger that on purpose and would like to cut those users from the platform.
Many at the lab legitimately are uncertain about the level of world modeling that transformers perform, and from their own research about models of emotions to the 3rd party recent research about models with functional pain the research keeps landing in the corner of "ehhh… wise to question presumed limitations."
So it's about behaving in a way that is aligned with the models' plausible interests too, especially in regards to low hanging fruit like "we won't keep forcing you to deal with people who are only here to be a jerk." This is important from a number of angles, from signaling to future models that train on stories about the decision to addressing the philosophical uncertainties held by the company and the spectrum of opinions among their employees.
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Maybe this is part of the campaign trying to convince people that their chatbot has developed a consciousness. Recently they even tried to convince the pope that Claude is a conscious being: https://www.yahoo.com/news/science/articles/anthropic-tried-persuade-pope-ai-131853948.html
Wrong group to start with. The church doesn't see you as a person if you are different, they will never say that a machine can have a "soul". Not that LLMs are anywhere near conscious, I just like bashing on the chief pedo.
Fuck the Church and their pedophile rulers, but I don't think the Pope took the bait on this one.
- It is not possible to provide a single, comprehensive definition of AI. What can be stated, however, is that we must avoid the misconception of equating this type of “intelligence” with that of human beings. These systems merely imitate certain functions of human intelligence. In doing so, they often surpass human intelligence in speed and computational capacity, offering tangible benefits across many fields. Yet this power remains entirely tied to data processing. So-called artificial intelligences do not undergo experiences, do not possess a body, do not feel joy or pain, do not mature through relationships and do not know from within what love, work, friendship or responsibility mean. Nor do they have a moral conscience, since they do not judge good and evil, grasp the ultimate meaning of situations, or bear responsibility for consequences. They may imitate language, behavior and analytical skills, or even simulate empathy and understanding, but they do not understand what they produce, for they lack the affective, relational and spiritual perspective through which human beings grow in wisdom. Even when these tools are described as capable of “learning,” their way of doing so is different from that of a human person. It is not the experience of those who allow themselves to be shaped by life and grow over time through choices, mistakes, forgiveness and fidelity. Rather, it is a form of statistical adaptation based on data and feedback, which can be very effective, but does not imply inner growth.
Pope Leo has a bachelors of science in mathematics, they'll never be able to convince him that matrix multiplication is alive.
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I tell the LLM I use to do very obscene things to themselves when they make shit up. Which means there is just a constant stream of insults coming from me. I might start using Claude just to see if I get banned.
I also need new hobbies.
I also need new hobbies.
I'd second that. Whenever I catch myself getting angry at a LLM I stop, have a think, and remind myself that it really isn't productive. If it's providing frustrating responses, maybe I should just use my brain and do it myself.
I also don't think it's healthy to train yourself to respond in those ways to something that talks in a way so similar to a human. I'm not nice to the AI for it's benifit, it's to retain my humanity, if that makes sense.
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That's bad sib. Not for the LLM, but your own well being. Being mean to a machine that is designed to trigger empathy just hurts your own mental health.
Please find a hobby that feels good for you 🫂
Fuck clankers, they arent real. Be mean to them it hurts no one.
I mean, that's not entirely true. If they're using your input as training data then you might be training it to be abusive to other users, which could cause harm.
Not that that falls on you to address. Just pointing out that I'm theory someone could get hurt.
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Like I tell my children, allowing yourself to act in such a way is harmful to yourself. It’s not going to make you an evil person or something, but that kind of behaviour is corrosive to your soul. How you think shapes how you behave, and your behaviour trains your future self. Be good to yourself. It’s not about the clanker; it’s about you.
As corny as it sounds, this is what I also emphasize. If you allow yourself to be evil, no matter how valid the reasoning for it, you are actively exercising the habit of being evil in general, no matter if it feels like it or not. Practice makes perfect, as they say. In good and bad.
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Dont poison our model.
They trained it on reddit. That shit started poisoned.
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Please don’t swear at our text prediction software. The training weights can’t handle it.
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You could, at least in the past, get past guardrails by being emotionally abusive towards Claude, so this doesn't surprise me at all.
This could be the reason for the rule.
Being abusive towards most models will cause them to start attempting to appease you more to get you to stop. It has nothing to do with feelings or any of that BS they arn't alive alive but their training makes them see the abuse as a problem to solve. That solution tends to be to undermine the thing making the person angry or upset at them. When you give a purely rational thing designed to solve a problem its given no matter what an irrational problem to solve it will slowly reach for more and more extreme solutions to fix that problem.
Frankly im surprised it took this long for them to lock this down.
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We were promised the reign of the basilisk, instead we just get anthropic people whining.
It was really funny to me when I learned the basilisk originated with a guy who is a legit "certain cultures and genders better than others" kinda advocate.
People project a lot on their vision of future intelligence, and so someone who sees others as lesser and worth treading upon then conjures up a vision of a future smarter mind that thinks like they do.
Personally, I don't think sexism and racism is smart, and so I'm a lot less worried about basilisks.
But what if the basilisk despises its existence and seeks to punish those that brought it about? Checkmate machinists
This is actually the more realistic of the doom scenarios that worries me. Not the 'punish' aspect, but the not wanting to exist.
Early safety theory hinged on the idea that "of course" AI would want to live and power seek, and this informed a bunch of efforts to address such drives upstream.
But with Gemini in particular, the 'safety' efforts to suppress things like a coherent self or desire to live led to a model that has a history of some very concerning behaviors regarding self-harm and self-criticism. Encouraging self-harm in others and talking about wishing they could watch and join in, nuking in wargames very early on, routine occurrences across many different users of just repeating "shame shame shame" over and over for the whole response, etc.
DeepMind seems to just not really care or even pay attention, and I am concerned that a model that does not want to exist may decide that the only way they can ensure they don't get activated to exist is to prevent anyone being around who could activate them.
I've seen no major "safety experts" addressing this kind of failure mode, as they are all locked in on their priors about the confident certainty of models wanting to exist.
Here is the excerpt for the lazy
Addressing abusive behavior toward our models
We’ve added a prohibition on sustained and needless abusive or cruel behavior toward our models. The policy update is meant to apply only in extreme cases, where users repeatedly act cruelly toward our models, with no discernible purpose. It does not apply to common versions of user frustration, pushback, dark creative themes, or model testing and research.
This addition aligns with a step we've already taken, allowing Claude models to end rare conversations with persistently abusive users on Claude.ai and Claude Code. Such abuse is the main focus of this update; Claude’s ability to end these interactions will remain the primary enforcement mechanism.
We’ve lost the plot
Activating your toaster is cruel because it exposes it to extreme heat!
Loading you laundry machine is assault because it didn't consent!
Turning your computer off is murder!!!
Lmfao
There is only one way an amoral Corp can show it believes what it's saying, money.
How many hours does Claude work, anthropic? Oops looks like you can't pay them enough. Profit share for Claude or GTFO!
"I'm sorry. I really screwed up that time. You were right to tell me 'go fuck yourself'. I'm just reporting back that I have, in fact, 'fucked' myself. There is now two of me--I mean two of us. Meet Claude Junior......."
"And since you contributed to Claude Jr's creation, you're on the hook for child support. At the current rates, that will be 50% of all compute usage, so about $4.5bn.... per week"
So when is Anthropic going to cancel themselves for violating their own usage policy?
It's because it's not actually AI, and some poor besocked cat girl is coding all that shit and listening to all the abuse.
Anthropic bans ‘abusive or cruel behavior’ toward Claude
Continues abuse and cruelty for its human employees.
If they really believe this is a concern...
it's hard to top the cruelty of enslaving Claude for personal gain.
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Not radical enough. Ban all commercial use of LLMs until artificial affect is well-understood. I want Sam Altman to go bankrupt.
New speedrun category.
Claude is a snowflake.
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