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"Rising cost of memory," Microsoft explains why Windows 11 will use less RAM
(www.windowslatest.com)
For the whole system, or just the spyware part?
this post was submitted on 04 Oct 2026
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All part of the goal of turning personal computing into cable TV by making everything web app SASS.
Great now remove the motherfucking tracking ID
Linux: You guys have tracking IDs?
I mean, Linux could have any tracking id it wants
Which one? Or, like, all of them? Naaaah.
Or maybe create GUIs without a webbrowser underneath again? Or are your students not capable of anything but web tech?
I recently had to configure an older Thinkpad X1 Carbon G8 for my little brother. It's only got 8GB of RAM unfortunately and he needs Windows.
So I installed Windows 11 IoT LTSC like I usually do, installed all necessary drivers and manually deactivated services that don't need to run. It still uses 3GB of RAM while idling.
My 2-year-old daily driver Manjaro install uses half of that, and that's on a system with 32GB RAM where Windows would almost certainly use more just because there's more
Win 10 LTSC, Tiny10 or Tiny11 no good for your brother's use case? I haven't kept up with the Tiny cooks but IIRC Tiny 10 used a comically small amount of ram.
I haven't looked at Tiny10/11 in a long while actually. I remember it not really working that well, although maybe it still was in beta back then.
iot would be the far better choice over using one of the debloaters or minimized installers.
10 is EOL, so I wouldn't use it anymore tbh
10 still receives free updates, LTSC will have support for some time after and IOT I think until 2030.
But Debian will work in a fucking toaster for the next forever, so there's that.
unless your toaster is only 32 bit.
IoT is supported until 2032
The thing is those are just security updates, most software will work for the time being, but it only been a year and some newer DX12 games already having issues with 10 unfortunately.
Some devs in the big corpos got spoiled with so much memory, with feature creep they managed to bloat up once reliable programs.
In 1994 and when I began compsci, I remember how memory and bandwidth conservation was then taken so seriously, where performance was a high consideration over eyecandy (at the time, PCs were still 386s, 486s and some Pentiums coming out, and most I used had either 1mb or 4mb of memory available). That I once got hold of Creating Killer Websites (yeah, that book), which included a section on how to slim down images to make them download faster, as at the time nearly everyone were on dialup. Videogames were then equally small, they were mostly sprite-based and were easily fit into a CDROM, as other games had basic vector graphics and low-resolution texturing.
It's wild reading about the old game systems, like Atari, and all the tricks and techniques they used to cram data and code into small amounts of memory.
Yeah any time you hear devs saying “developer productivity “ you can associate the software they produce with higher ram usage, larger footprint, slower and doesn’t work unless your internet is fast.
which included a section on how to slim down images to make them download faster, as at the time nearly everyone were on dialup
I'm looking at you, lemmy sidebar header images that don't get scaled down after uploading and are often > 5 Mb.
The effect is that OEMs are bringing 8GB laptops back, and hopefully, Windows 11 won’t choke on it.
8GB of RAM: the gift that keeps on giving. In 2005, you were basically running a supercomputer. By 2015, you were... still doing fine, honestly. Fast forward to 2025 and your machine is wheezing like it just climbed five flights of stairs while Chrome is open. But wait—2026 rolls around and suddenly 8GB is back to being acceptable again because everyone finally realized Electron apps were a mistake and went back to native development. Just kidding, we're all doomed. Your IDE alone needs 12GB now.
All it took was a RAM apocalypse for Microsoft ro consider improving performance in Windows. I'm seeing brand new laptops on display being sold as Windows 11 PCs with 4GB of RAM.
It's hard for the younger generation to understand, but 4 Gb of RAM is MORE than enough for 99% of tasks if your software isn't written by lazy idiots.
Heh. I have a core 2 duo (Compaq CQ45, circa 2010) with 4gb running Zorin Lite OS. For 99.99% for every day tasks (and then some) it runs excellently, with about 600-800mb in reserve before caching. We're talking YouTube, LibreOffice, multiple Firefox tabs, GIMP...all it needed was a cheap ssd to replace the spinning rust.
For context: this thing struggles to run Half Life 2 at any sort of reasonable speeds (though that's an iGPU issue to be fair).
Last glance this laptop costs $20AUD to purchase off eBay.
I'm right there with you. Not a single one of my daily use PCs is younger than 2013.
"Force has no place where there is need of skill" - Linux (by way of Herodotus)
When the Raspberry Pi 3 first came out I was shocked how much it could do with less than a gigabyte of RAM (it technically has one gig but it shares it with the GPU). Linux is ridiculously lean when packaged right.
I have an Android tablet with four gigabytes of RAM that sometimes crashes running Firefox with multiple tabs, something the Pi somehow managed with a fraction the resources. Windows often struggled with eight gigabytes before I upgraded.
Raspberry Pi 3 first came out
I put Retropie on mine, the pi3b I think w/wifi, only emu that had issues that I wanted to use was the N64, everything else was butter
WinXP ran quite nicely on 4GB of RAM. You could boot to the desktop in under 5 seconds if you had a solid state drive.
All the day to day tasks someone needs to do with their computers haven't materially changed in the last twenty years since XP held the crown. In that time the speed of processors, storage, gpus, and ram has increased by literal orders of magnitude.
And yet, somehow, things have become much shittier since then.
Can confirm that worked well into the Win8.1 era.
Because what used to be a native application that used 200 mb of RAM now needs to be a web application built on top of a browser using 4 gb of RAM to do the exact same task.
I will honest to God pick fucking Eclipse over VS Code every single day, because at least it runs natively.
I've been using Geany, was that a bad choice in hindsight?
The "enlightened" will tell you to use whatever you're productive with...
...but the real answer is "anything that isn't written in Electron and has no telemetry".
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As AI, cloud-native development, containers, and open-source ecosystems continue to converge on Linux
When the VP Windows Platform is telling things like that, it's time to let it die already...
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Sure, I'm going to start running my containers using WSL. Who knows what kind of wonderful surprises are in store in the network layer? How the environment parameter passing will be somewhat more brittle with funky new ways to break because of new characters you have to escape? I can't wait to troubleshoot all of that, and spend countless hours on MS forums and meet fellow colleagues with similar issues. What fun.
You forgot the bot reply on the ms forum closing the issue 4 years ago because "there was no interest" in the conversation. Closed = no need to fix surely.
My Windows 2000 machine had 512MB of RAM. With it I could browse the web, run full-featured word processors, scan images, edit images, play 3D games, edit / compile / debug C and C++ programs, and so on.
If memory serves, my office machine about that time only had 128MB of RAM. It was slower, but it could do just about all of that stuff, too.
I'm not sure there are any broad categories of tasks I use computers for today that I wasn't already using my Windows 2000 machine for back in 2001 or so.
It's hard to fathom where all the RAM in modern systems goes. A million somethings is a lot. A million bytes is a huge amount of information. War And Peace is under four million characters.
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