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I'm probably gonna buy an e-bike soon, mostly as a way to shield myself from fuel shortages in the near future and ensure a certain degree of mobility, probably will use it for occasional sport too. Also there's juicy subsidies right now so it's the perfect moment (for context I live in Spain).

Unfortunately, capitalism will capitalism and most e-bikes come with the integrated battery in the chasis, of which I'm 90% certain there's no standard among manufacturers, and even many of the pedal-type motors run with proprietary wiring and even protocols that only allow certain batteries to be installed.

Given this, I'd like to shield myself from this (and also increase repairability) by purchasing a bike with a normal battery outside the chassis, something like the Zazawork CF29:

These e-bikes feature the non-proprietary generic batteries and hub motors that increase repairability and don't keep you forced to an ecosystem that you're not sure will have replacements in 5 years.

However, these batteries are also much easier to steal, and they're not cheap to replace. I can mitigate this to a degree installing an alarm on the battery, but idk if that's enough. My use case isn't the bike sleeping on the street overnight, but rather being able to leave the bike worry-free for some hours during the day if I go to, say, the cinema, or something akin of duration.

What do y'all think?

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[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 2 points 5 hours ago

The most important thing is: get an ebike. Then you have an ebike.

Proprietary bullshit is the rule not the exception. You can always trade your bike if you're getting pissed off with it. Just make sure you keep up with maitenance, and it should be reliable. I use Bosch stuff on my bike, and I've made peace with it - it works fine, and I can get any replacement parts I need on eBay, and the local shop can service the electronics.

These e-bikes feature the non-proprietary generic batteries and hub motors that increase repairability and don't keep you forced to an ecosystem that you're not sure will have replacements in 5 years.

There's a balancing act here, since generic equipment on your bike will be attractive to bike thieves. The integrated battery definately helps with that... but it's annoying in other ways, and in any case thieves will prioritize taking the entire bike. Maitenance is a risk, especially since we've seen some manufacturers fail and then parts becoming difficult to find. But I think if you're handy and keep up with maitenance, you may find that your bike just keeps on working well beyond that 5 year mark. The battery does get affected by cycle time, but modern battery chemistry is pretty good, so there are a lot of old batteries out there that still have 85%+ of of their capacity even after a couple of thousand cycles.

I lock up my bike outside for several hours at a time most weeks. Having a decent lock, and then just making sure it's not locked up in a dark alley overnight has kept it safe so far. But I accept that my ebike might get stolen someday, and try not to let it prevent me from using it.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Don't buy a no-name brand. You'll always be able to find Bosch batteries, but without the risk of fire or the warranty not being honoured. Zazawork seemed to pop up a year or two ago and the market is so oversaturated with brands that I doubt they'll be around by the time something breaks on that. The extra weight and speed with ebikes means components are under a lot more stress, so it's a good idea to pay more upfront for name-brand parts that will last.

I would also consider going with a cargo bike if you are using this as a car replacement. That rear-rack will hold like 10kg and make the bike really unstable because it's so high up. With my Aventon Abound LR, I can fit 60kg on the back with a low centre of gravity and wide tyres to offset the extra mass. That also means it handles better in winter. It is so much more practical that I always use it over my commuter-style ebike that has better components.

[–] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

0% chance I'll give even 1€ to Bosch and get into the proprietary ecosystems. The fire hazard is not there if you buy batteries from reputable brands like Hailong. I don't believe there's anything the G*rman industry can come up with that will compete with Chinese technology at similar prices.

As for no-brand bikes, I partially agree, but there's two big factors: a 400€ difference and the non-repairability of branded bikes. I would loathe having to spend 150€ on a screen replacement if mine breaks for any reason instead of having the option of buying a 40€ generic replacement on Ali. I can see the electronics of a branded bike failing earlier than the mechanics of a no name brand like Zazawork

Cargo-bikes are mostly not an option because motors above 250W require license plate over here and I'm not willing to

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not saying only Bosch, just a brand with the same safety standards and level of reliability. You want a properly built and certified battery which you won't find on a bike like this. When I looked up the manufacturer, I think this bike or a similar-looking one sold for around 800 euros. The battery on my Aventon costs 435 euros by itself and it isn't a particularly nice one. It's just trustworthy enough that I can confidently ride with my entire penis above the most dangerous and flammable thing I own. Somewhere in the production Zazawork is cutting corners to sell at such a low price point. If that's the electronics you risk a fire you can't easily predict or extinguish, if it's the mechanics you really need to think about this purchase from the perspective of a much heavier bike at a much higher speed than normal. The vibrational stress is much more intense and shakes everything loose, small accidents like bumping a curb or pothole experience way more force, and the brakes have to work extra hard.

Buying a used/overstock ebike from Upway.be is your best bet for saving money and getting something you won't regret. I think they're the best prepper purchase someone could make right now, but reliability and utility have to be chief concerns if that's the intention. An unreliable bike that's unpleasant to ride and not rated for the task will cause you more problems than it solves. The same economic crisis is going to make those generic replacement components more expensive and harder to ship if you're stuck repairing a bad bike more frequently, and then they'll probably feel crummy to use over their shorter lifespan.

[–] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 3 points 13 hours ago

Unfortunately I can't really buy a used bike, I believe it has to be new for the subsidy to apply.

I get what you mean, I'm just not gonna buy a bike above 1200€. Local resellers such as Decathlon offer good looking bikes for 1200€. I'm just afraid that I'll be paying the extra money not in quality but in less mass-production and more proprietary standards

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I put an IED on mine

Also only buy from a local shop if you can't repair yourself. If you can repair yourself, you need to be absolutely certain parts won't be discontinued or have a backup plan

[–] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 5 points 13 hours ago

Lmfao took me a minute to remember what IED stands for. I'll be sure not to touch your bike

[–] dadarobot@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

a lot of these batteries come on sleds. if youre worried about the battery, you can usually remove it and take it with you if youre concerned about the theft. example on amazon

one thing thats kind of annoying is there isnt really much of a standard for displays and motor controllers. i have a display that cracked and rain got in and it stopped working. i cant find the exact same display, so i have to replace the controller as well. (i tried a few similar looking displays that didnt work). probably wont be an issue for you for a couple years, but keep that in mind.

also depending on how comfortable you feel with it, most of these bike batteries are just banks of 18650 batteries, so you can referb the battery (replace cells) yourself if that doesnt scare you.

[–] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Taking out the battery is a possibility for sure, and if I'll be in a building it makes a whole lot of sense. I should definitely consider that. Thanks for the idea!

As for re-celling the batteries, you can look at my other reply, I'd be anxious about it tbh

I wasn't aware the screen wasn't a standard, that's quite annoying...

[–] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There is a French battery brand, Gouach, that sockets rather than welds the 18650s, but they recently decided to only do business fleets now instead of individual customers. However, it might be possible to get an old stock or used one. I am hopeful other brands will take up cell socketing instead of welding.

[–] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 4 points 18 hours ago

Bear in mind you have to configure the battery management firmware to recognise the cell brand and type, bluetooth needs to phone home to the company for it, and Gouach's support is lousy. That's why I hope someone else does it better, or someone comes up with a firmware hack that allows local setup.

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 5 points 18 hours ago

whatever bike you get, just get one with a removable battery so you can take it with you.

you should look at bikes that are easy to service and repair, sure, but not everything is easy to do and you should also look at bike repair shops near you to see what they can or can't fix. also repairability isn't just a factor of closed vs open systems, I would say that it's a function of popularity like Bosch or Bafang are probably the most common motors so there's likely a lot of documentation and shops willing to work on those. I'm not sure about batteries but I wouldn't get a shit bike just bc the generic battery is repairable. a more expensive bike will likely have better components (like brakes, saddle, pedals, handlebar, etc) and be potentially lighter vs a no-name brand.

That 400€ might mean you buy it in person from a shop and it has a warranty that can actually take care of issues if they come up.

[–] regul@hexbear.net 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

A lot of them have batteries that lock to the frame, with keys to unlock.

[–] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah but most of those locks are garbage that can be forced with pliers in 3 seconds with no skill, hence the alarm idea.

[–] regul@hexbear.net 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I live in a city that is known for bike theft (what city isn't?) and I've been locking up my ebike outside of bars and restaurants for 3 years now (but keeping it inside overnight) and no one's attempted to fuck with it.

ymmv, but I don't think people see ebike batteries on their own as particularly valuable targets.

[–] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's also hard to quantify the risks. I actually love that you told me that, thanks for the input. Is your battery inside the bike structure?

[–] regul@hexbear.net 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It's on a rail on the down tube. Just slides off.

American brand, and this is a newer model than what I had, but: https://www.radpowerbikes.com/collections/radrunner-electric-cargo-utility-bikes/products/radrunner-electric-cargo-utility-bike

[–] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 2 points 12 hours ago

Daaaaamn that's a cool ass bike. Thanks!

[–] WilsonWilson@hexbear.net 6 points 19 hours ago

I've been thinking about working on an alarm that can warn you via wifi or cell modem when a bike is being tampered with. Could even go with a gps chip hidden under the seat to track location.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Putting rare earth magnets in any driver slots like for hex bolts will provide some extra deterrence(You can remove when needed with another REM, and they aren't normally part of a bike thieves' kit, but it's becoming more well-known so not foolproof)

Like with anything it can eventually be stolen by a motivated thief with the right equipment and enough time. A GPS tracker that you hide somewhere like inside the frame(Do research because a metal frame can act as a Faraday cage, suppressing the signal) if your configuration grants you access is a very good investment for pretty much any bike imo

[–] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 3 points 13 hours ago

The rare Earth magnet trick sounds cool, I'll keep that in mind! I won't go as far as GPS because if someone wants to steal the whole ass bike they're likely a professional and I'm doomed, I'm mostly worried about the battery being easy to extract, hence the alarm so that they get scared if they attempt it in public.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 3 points 17 hours ago

yeah it's pretty hard to lock down a bike in public. the best you can do is make it inconvenient and not be the easiest one to steal.

if you do have the gps and the bike is stolen and the gps works, if you want the cops to show up (and you might if you're worried about the thieves pulling a gun on you) then the cheatcode to actually get them to show up is to tell them you know where the stolen bike is and you're on your way to confront the thief.

this will not help you if they throw the bike on the back of a truck and drive it to another country. i've heard from UK folks who had bikes stolen with trackers and they ended up in eastern europe.

[–] CHOPSTEEQ@lemmy.ml 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Even the “proprietary” built in ones are almost certainly available on alibaba, and they’re simply chock full of 18650s (which you probably know) so it’s all doable if you’re enterprising enough.

[–] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 7 points 20 hours ago

Tbh I'd rather buy a cheap replaceable non-proprietary battery from a reputable Chinese manufacturer like Hailong than buy nondescript alibaba listings for weird e-bike standards that will be more expensive and don't guarantee cell quality.

As for re-celling the battery, it's something I may consider in the future, but for now I feel kinda anxious dealing with spot-welding the fuckers, I'm quite confident in my soldering but I've never done the spot-welding and I would feel afraid to leave the bike unsupervised in case of flames.