The classic response:
"He is testing us"
And here I thought that God was all-knowing, so he should know how we would react before having to test us
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But some animals living far from humans, il forest and oceans, some we never pay attention to... They too, suffer some sicknesses and the too early lost of their kids. Some get eaten slowly from the inside by parasites, some who did no sin die in some long and painfull cancer…
How does an almighty and perfectly good god does not just allow it, but decided to create this like that, checked it, and found that it is good?
Would the world be worse if innocent animal kids (whose are given no free will) could die with less pain?
Furthermore, he would already know whether or not you'd pass the test before you were even created. So why create you if he already knows you'll fail those tests?
God is an almighty asshole.
Proof number one:
There is evil on this world and life is unfair.
God could do sth. about it, but doesn't.
God is all knowing, so you can't just say he didn't know.
Proof number two:
Religious people are more often intolerant than atheists.
Proof number three:
We are made in God's image. And I see a lot of assholes around here.
There's been a LOT of attempts to explain this throughout history, none of them are really airtight. Until one day I finally cracked it. Like seriously, I think I have a solution without a contradiction:
What if... God is just not very clever? He's doing his best, ok?
If he's really all powerful - I hear you object - couldn't he simply increase his intelligence? Yes. Yes he could. If he thought of it =(
"if you're a dumbass and you know it, clap your hands"
suddenly, rolling thunder
All-powerful, all-seeing and loving. 1 and 2 can't be true for someone who dropped the ball this bad
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
This perfectly lines up with a series called Miracle Workers and in it Steve Buscemi is God and he's an absolute fuck up.
It may be that they beleive that those who suffer are actually morally corrupt in some way, even themselves, which is part of why the wealthy become so admired.
If god actually existed, he would be both. So there is no wrong button.
For the same reason you do.
Okay, say you have an ant farm or something like that. You have the power to pour bleach in your ant farm and kill all of them at once. Or you could drop food in there. They are aware of you and think of you like a god, so they worship you. But when they do shitty things to each other, they wonder why you didn't step in and intervene. You qualify as all-powerful and all-knowing (imagine you can see all the pathways from both sides), so, why don't you step in? The fact is, you don't really care. You might care that you have an ant farm. You care about the bigger picture. But the small things? Like who gets to be queen and the shitty things they do to each other? It's not really your concern.
If a god were a real thing, it would be some kind of life force that is quite beyond our understanding, and thus, it wouldn't really care about our internal struggles, if it had a motivation to see us as a species succeed (in what? just surviving? Basically).
It's easy to say gods don't exist, but, we really don't know what's out there in the stars. Imagine something could live in space without oxygen, and imagine it can't be seen by our instruments. That might be like a god. We don't really know.
It’s easy to say gods don’t exist
It's more accurate to say that the existence of any god is inversely proportional to the relevance of that god.
Sure, there could be a hidden god out there in the stars that never interacts with us at all. That would be really difficult to disprove. But it's also pointless to disprove, because in our practical everyday lives, it makes no difference whether such a god exists or not. If you want to talk about a god that actually does things and actually has some impact on our real lives, well then -- now that's testable and disprovable.
God either doesn't exist or doesn't matter. And the difference between those two isn't terribly important.
You're not omniscient or omnipotent in the ant farm - you have a very limited view and very limited powers. "Doesn't care" does not mesh with god being all-loving, which is the 3rd part of the standard bs.
It’s easy to say gods don’t exist, but, we really don’t know what’s out there in the stars.
It's easy to say "until someone proves anything at all, which seems like a fair thing to request, you don't need to act as if you believe it", and also true. While it can't be conclusively disproven that maybe some god is lurking around out there, earthly religion makes testable, falsifiable claims all the time. Which are then tested, and falsified
I’ve never understood the hype surrounding this pseudo-dilemma in atheist circles. The answer is actually quite simple: being all-powerful doesn’t mean being capable of doing impossible things. If your definition of omnipotence includes the ability to do the impossible, then, as a Christian, I have no problem saying that God is not omnipotent, but that is merely a matter of wordplay.
There are many valid criticisms of religion and even of theism, but this one has never really made sense to me.
being all-powerful doesn’t mean being capable of doing impossible things
So ... can your god, for example...
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Turn water into wine?
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Die and then come back to life 3 days later?
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Walk on water?
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Create the entire universe from nothing?
What exactly is and is not 'impossible' for your god? What kind of god can do those things, but can't, say ... prevent Epstein and his rich friends from raping kids for decades? Why is one possible and the other impossible?
Well, the christian's claim is that god created the world as it is, in 6 days, and that each day he checked what he did and that he saw it was good. And so he not only created pain for innocent baby animals, but he also validated it as good. May is it onavoidable, but we are still able to regret it. Is our moral highes than god's moral? Or are we wrong and should we train ourself to feel joy at the idea of a new born baby mouse tortured by a cat who may (or not) eat it after his play (when the baby mouse died)?
Of course. All the answers are simple, in such a way that it's easy to show how they're all really bad arguments. Such as "Well it's simple really, one of the three main characteristics of god, that literally everyone knows, just isn't true when inconvenient to my position."
Hence the "hype" - it's pretty useful to have an argument that, no matter what people try to argue, immediately has to result in something stupidly obviously illogical, something that contradicts one or more lore points, some cop out bs, bad faith argumentation, or everything all at once.
If your god is not all powerful, then your religion lied to you about what your god even is.
According to your lore, his will is our reality - he isn't bound by the laws of our universe, he made them. So he didn't just allow evil and suffering to exist, he actively put it here. Why worship a being so full of hate?
The Bible says god is allmighty.
In the literal meaning. God has created us, the world and indirectly the universe.
If an allmighty God who has the power to create a world or a universe can't stop catastrophes from happening then what the fuck is wrong with them?
People in the old testament argued that they must have sinned, because God has sent them a catastrophe.
So according to the Bible God is creating catastrophes for a reason....
I'll break it down like this. Is all suffering necessary? Like do infants really need to get leukemia to achieve God's grand plan? Does he have the power to achieve his goal without giving infants leukemia?
It boils down to the fact that either he is not able to, and therefore not all powerful, or he is and chooses to give babies cancer anyway, and therefore not all good.