The classic response:
"He is testing us"
And here I thought that God was all-knowing, so he should know how we would react before having to test us
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Furthermore, he would already know whether or not you'd pass the test before you were even created. So why create you if he already knows you'll fail those tests?
Because we still have the free will to make those choices. Or some such nonsense. It didn’t make sense to me either :p
Didn't make sense to you because it doesn't make any sense in any way ever. An OS/OP being knows how you and your will would react to literally every case and does not need to run any tests. And, if they did, why, there'd still not be any need for suffering. If you are all powerful you design the universe so that all this evil "necessarily" following from free will would not follow from free will. Can't do it? -> not omnipotent.
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But some animals living far from humans, il forest and oceans, some we never pay attention to... They too, suffer some sicknesses and the too early lost of their kids. Some get eaten slowly from the inside by parasites, some who did no sin die in some long and painfull cancer…
How does an almighty and perfectly good god does not just allow it, but decided to create this like that, checked it, and found that it is good?
Would the world be worse if innocent animal kids (whose are given no free will) could die with less pain?
‘lol animals can’t feel things. They don’t have souls.’
Is how they justify it.
But "he" "gave them" a nervous system so they are sensible to torture.
Also, the eternal damnation of human babies who die at birth, before baptism, is not that easy to defend as "perfectly good" nor "moraly the best that can be"… Thanks it is a "forgiving god of love", else the world would be harsh…
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Imagine murdering a family member of someone's and claiming you're just testing them.
That's God in their situational view of things.
Feeling cute
Might give a kid bone cancer and kill him with a horrible, expensive, slow and painful death to test his parents later. Idk
Don’t know why so many children in developing countries need to be tested so much. That QA department has warped priorities.
There's been a LOT of attempts to explain this throughout history, none of them are really airtight. Until one day I finally cracked it. Like seriously, I think I have a solution without a contradiction:
What if... God is just not very clever? He's doing his best, ok?
If he's really all powerful - I hear you object - couldn't he simply increase his intelligence? Yes. Yes he could. If he thought of it =(
"if you're a dumbass and you know it, clap your hands"
suddenly, rolling thunder
All-powerful, all-seeing and loving. 1 and 2 can't be true for someone who dropped the ball this bad
Seeing is not the same as understanding.
Maybe humans like suffering and dying. They all seem to do it, so they must like it.
I like this idea of an all powerful toddler god
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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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Tracks with the whole “god made us like him” premise. That just means god is an idiot about half the time. Also explains the cruelty, capriciousness, manipulation, uncaring, etc. with hypothetical random acts of kindness. It also means any potential heaven is going to be a complete crapshoot, you have no idea what fit of pique god will have built heaven in.
Either way, sounds like god is a real dumpster fire and has left humans to stew in their own as well.
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"god is all knowing" vs. "i have free will"
christians press both buttons without thinking about it.
Gods jerking off to the sin he knew you were going to commit, did nothing to prevent, and will now make you burn over.
God created you just to make you suffer.
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus
Or put another way: Omnipotence, Omniscience, Benevolence; choose any two. The very existence of evil excludes the possibility that there is God-being with all three traits.
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Most of the Bible clearly illustrates the malevolence of the Christian god...
God is an almighty asshole.
Proof number one:
There is evil on this world and life is unfair.
God could do sth. about it, but doesn't.
God is all knowing, so you can't just say he didn't know.
Proof number two:
Religious people are more often intolerant than atheists.
Proof number three:
We are made in God's image. And I see a lot of assholes around here.
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I read a book back in the day that had the idea of a God that was just as confused about his origin as we were. He didn't know how he was made, so he experimented and made Earth with the hope that he will create another version of himself. I think he got bored in the story and stopped checking on us. Idk it's been a while.
It may be that they beleive that those who suffer are actually morally corrupt in some way, even themselves, which is part of why the wealthy become so admired.
Ancient (and a very few modern) Gnostics decided to run with "God is an asshole and we are all prisoners here"
I think religion would be way more convincing and appealing if we just gave up on the "all-powerful" aspect of God and focused on the "all-knowing" and "maximally good" parts
Just accepting many gods rather than just one; each with their own power and personalities... like in old paganisms... it is far more convincing to me. None of the producted texts are absolute truth, just a poetic view according to the dream given by the servant of one of the gods: of course it is not exact, so proving it wrong brings nothing... Responsabilities are diluted, and if you are more a fan of the god A, you can accuse the god B td oe responsible of most bad things…
That said, the original version of the monotheists god was not claiming to be the only one existing, he was requesting to be the only one they pray for and honor. A bit as it was the minor "god" of jealousy of a large pantheon…
ever tried to talk to a christian about how an omniscient god clearly obviates any concept of free will? they really don't like that.
Its kinda hard for the creator of the universe to not be all powerful though. The other two are much more maliable.
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If god actually existed, he would be both. So there is no wrong button.
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