Have they tried painting a fire hydrant a truck and and a bicycle on the back? Let's test if these cameras are a robot or not.
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To me, this looks a lot like taking one dose of a prescribed antibiotic. All it really succeeds in doing is training dazzle resistant strains of cameras.
Trying to trick the cameras is playing into an expensive game of cat and mouse. And sure, fine, that may work for a little while, but it's not a solution.
I'm not a big fan of adapting to fascism, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
Seems like a great way to get rear ended by a Tesla autopilot driver.
Seems like a great way to get an insurance payout from a Tesla autopilot driver.
You don't need dazzle paint to get hit by a Tesla.
I live in an area where Tesla and Waymo both operate taxis. Waymo is actually pretty solid. Those cars are some of the best, most-predictable drivers on the road. Tesla cabs are meth-addicted clankers.
Except insurance has basically decided it doesn't need to actually pay for the most part.
At some point people are just going to roll the dice on this bullshit. If they aren't gonna pay out when they should why are we even paying them? This seems incredibly criminal to deny payment while accepting increasing payments.
Wait till you hear about health insurance
seems like a plumb er solution
If they aren't gonna pay out when they should why are we even paying them?
Because you can end up losing your car, being fined thousands of dollars, or in jail for driving without insurance. The fact the peasants get no value from it isn't important, you better keep paying!
The figures don’t mean insurers rejected nearly half of otherwise valid claims. Claims can close without payment because another insurer covered the loss, a customer withdrew the claim, damages fell below the deductible or the loss wasn’t covered by the policy.
You can't just say this shit and then just dismiss it:
Still, the increase suggests motorists face greater scrutiny when seeking compensation for some of the most complicated and costly types of auto claims.
autopilot driver
Dude's probably on his way to the ATM machine
Quick! What's his PIN number‽
nobody got it smh my head
Free money glitch
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
This approach only works in daylight with cameras that rely on colour only. Infrared spectrum cameras such as what Australia uses on mobile phone traffic cameras are much harder to deal with. Patterns don't cut it and it's a huge part of military research into hiding vehicles from infrared spotters.
Disabling the cameras entirely is much more effective.
For IR you can feasibly run IR dazzle lights all over whatever you want to mask, including your face.
DO BOTH
(defense in depth)
Dumb question I have no idea how infrared light works and cameras. But what if my license plate was just constantly firing infrared light to counter act or "blind" the cameras?
Can’t you make patterns in infrared reflective paint?
Not really. We don't have materials that absorb or reflect infrared light. It's one of the reasons it's hard to beat inferred-guided (heat seeking) missiles, the only real solution is to drop something hotter than your plane, aka a flare.
So... get ready for a new era of commercial automotive flares I guess?
What if I just hold a sparkler out my window?
No need, you can just use an IR spotlight to blind the camera. Unlike the military you're not trying to hide the vehicle.
But either way you're actively trying to avoid being picked up by speed cameras so you get a fine.
This isn't about speed cameras, it's about "safety" surveillance cameras. No laws have to be broken. Evading Flock isn't illegal
*yet
A fun experiment, but the real solution is preventing all the shit in the first place by government regulation.
I saw a post yesterday with practical suggestions about how to move that process along.
The same governments that are pocketing the sweet Flock dollars to ignore public opinion?
My solution so far is a bike rack that blocks my plate from view. Easy enough to feign ignorance and “correct it” in the moment. Flocks database no doubt has an entry for [color][make][model], but at least it’s not associated with me directly through motor vehicle bureau records.
I’m pretty sure based on previous reporting that they will just track you as “blue car with this specific model of bike rack”.
I am sure of that too. Best I can do is try to avoid linking it to my name.
adding it also logs your phone, earpods, etc signals alongside the car’s data.
Are you in one of the nice states that doesn't require front license plates?
I wonder if WWI dazzle paint designs would work too.
Fighting fire with fire.
now find something that stops it from reading Bluetooth and other RF signals. I wonder if anyone has acquired one for security research
It would be simpler to just overlay Bluetooth or RF signals it can read with signals so numerous and strong that it is overwhelmed. The main problem with that is the size of the hardware you'd need.
You could pull the 20 phones in a trench coat thing that one guy did to create "traffic jams" where there were no cars.
Spend a large sum (for some) of money to make my vehicle look stupid vs. they can fuck off with their privacy-invading cameras.
I prefer "they can fuck off"
I mean at least they're trying..? Your alternative isn't really a solution
Spend a large sum of money on a suit of armor vs. they can fuckin stab me
I prefer "they can fuckin stab me"