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PS: The discussion on this post turned mainly into a (one-sided) debate about whether the content of my contributions passes the Lemmy ideological purity test. So dull, yet so predictable. To be clear: I stand by everything I've written on Lemmy. Efforts at shaming will fall flat, as will pompous denunciations and attempts at dunking based on virtual sleuthing. I'm far too secure in my convictions to be bothered by a brigade of insufferably self-righteous progressives trying to one-up each other in their efforts to root out dissidence. To the (quite numerous) others who offered interesting feedback and kind words, thanks.

Here are some reflections on my personal experience of federated social media.

A bit of background. In the 90-9-1 trichotomy, I am one of the 9%: an occasional active participant. As of 3 years ago I had been dabbling in social media since I was a teenager in the 90s, but never very deeply. Newsgroups and IRC; a bit of invisible blogging; various techie web forums; Twitter from 2008 (hardly any tweets); Facebook in the early 2010s (a post or two per week at the peak); then Reddit. As of 2023 I had been "on" Reddit for nearly a decade and not even written 100 comments. Then I decided on a whim to join Lemmy.

The good

Three years later I have written nearly 100 original posts and over 3000 comments! This is an order of magnitude more than I used social media in the previous 25 years. How to explain it?

A bunch of things. I liked the UX instantly, it's much better than Reddit. No ads, so no nagging feeling that you're bankrolling a corporation. A (slightly) higher level of conversation quality than Reddit.

Probably the single biggest explanation is just that it's quieter. On Reddit I always arrived too late to the party. It's hard to find the motivation to say something when a thread already has 800 comments. On Lemmy, I'd arrive 12 hours after the post and there were only 6 comments. If I take the time to compose my thoughts, somebody might actually see it! I get the paradox here (there are tons more eyes passively looking at Reddit), but the "quiet room" effect is real.

Highlights

Hands down the best community I've found here is (no surprise) a specialized one: !birding@lemmy.world. Lots of original content and genuine expertise, zero vitriol or toxicity. Perfect. In a similar vein, !pigeon@mander.xyz, where you can literally post pics of pigeons to an adoring audience.

I've also got some value out of !linux@lemmy.world and !privacy@programming.dev for one of those reasons: the ambient expertise. It's not really breaking news: Linux and FOSS and privacy are really the only subjects where the fediverse can go toe-to-toe with the corporates in terms of expertise. IMO that's already an achievement that should not be squandered!

Quite a few of my 96 posts are original content ("OG", ugh). A whole bunch are photos from my bike-touring escapades, which I posted somewhat arbitrarily to !bicycle_touring@lemmy.world , !bicycling@lemmy.world, and !solarpunktravel@slrpnk.net. I rationalize this as an alternative to blogging: instead of hosting your own invisible vanity website, you can write what you have to say in a place where you have less control but where people may actually read it. It's the logic of social media, basically, but minus the ads and opaque algos and shareholders. As expected, my holiday photos were not viral sensations, but they did attract some love and a few nice comments. Success!

The less good

My experience on Lemmy has taught me something that I knew in theory but (somehow) not quite in practice: Socializing via text on a screen is quite hard to pull off successfully. The lack of physical accountability, the inherent difficulty of text communication (avoiding ambiguity without the help of a face or body language), all this tends to make people into worse versions of themselves. Me included to some extent, I'm sure.

And then there's the echo-chamber problem. It turns out that when people have an option to avoid dealing with ideas they disagree with (even slightly), very many of them choose that option. IMO this is a major (perhaps fatal) problem with social media. The fediverse is not magically immune from it.

Lowlights

The first - and definitely worst - experience I've had was 2 years ago when I got banned from !europe@feddit.org for "racism and gaslighting" on the basis of, well, pretty much nothing except the moderator's paranoia. Shut out of the single community that had most drawn me to Lemmy, I tried !europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com and in short order had a similar experience. I am a European liberal who votes green, and a moderate on social questions, although admittedly I do enjoy debate. To be shut down so brutally for daring to question progressive doxas in the politest terms - for me this was quite a shocking confirmation of the intolerance of a certain section of the (mainly US) left.

On !degrowth@slrpnk.net I got a virtual slap on the wrist for posting an article offering constructive criticism of degrowth. I'm basically a degrowther myself but I believe it's important to stress-test one's ideas (cf. J S Mill). The moderators politely disagreed. Fair enough. I deleted my post and unsubscribed.

The problem on !china@sopuli.xyz, meanwhile was (is) slightly different. It's that the community is swamped by a single hyperactive member who posts relentlessly on exactly the same themes with the same POV, and - the echo chamber, again - responds badly to any pushback. I contacted the moderator in private and received a virtual shrug.

So I decided to ditch all politics and stick to photos and niche subjects. But even here it has not been plain sailing. A (slightly whiny) post I wrote a few months ago about the difficulty of installing Linux on cheap hardware (a pretty niche subject!) received an avalanche of mockery and insults that really took me aback. And then I really stirred up a hornets' nest quite recently in this very community when I proposed a feature which would hugely improve my experience of Lemmy without affecting anyone else. Can't link to that because it got (very belatedly) deleted, ostensibly because offtopic but in reality because the proposal was unpopular. In fact this was my last post on Lemmy to date. Probably not a coincidence.

Conclusions

For me personally, the jury's still out. I'm pretty ambivalent about social media in general. Since The Atlantic introduced a discussion space a few months ago, I admit that I've transferred some of my energy there. And yes, it's been a better experience. But the reason is no indictment of Lemmy: It's that The Atlantic has a paywall, which essentially means I'm talking only to privileged people like myself there. I enjoy Hacker News even more, but that's because it's super specialized (politics is mostly banned), and professionally moderated, and also (attention: wild POV!) because it's full of engineers and other spectrumy types who take a Spock-like approach to communication. The problems I've had on Lemmy are problems of all generalist social media, not specifically of the fediverse.

In my case what remains are the figures. Despite everything, I have contributed more, and more personally, on Lemmy than I ever did on the R-site or anywhere else. That has to count for something. Corporate social media is a manipulative money-driven spyware-fueled nightmare. The federated decentralized type is obviously, plainly, better. That's why it has to succeed.

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[–] Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works 79 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (53 children)

So, you're a debate bro who argues Syrian refugees increase crime and terrorism, trans women in sports and children accessing trans healthcare are legitimate issues, and support Israel and claim there isn't a genocide.

You say shit like "So many hypersensitive thin-skinned vacuum-cleaner owners! Perhaps they're projecting their insecurities because deep down they know I'm right." and argue intolerance that people don't support your terrible viewpoints?

You're peak fucking reddit mate.

To me the good of the Fediverse is that it highlights dishonest people like yourself.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 54 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Holy cow that comment history. Geez. Yeah. If this is who is complaining about the Fediverse as an echo chamber then we must be doing something right.

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Dude I just scrolled their history for funsies (I'm sure mine has plenty of dumb shit in it too so I'm not immune to idiocy....)

The guy who wants an auto block option for people who downvote their stuff is complaining about this being an "echo chamber.". That. Is. Hilarious.

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 45 points 3 weeks ago (28 children)

The first - and definitely worst - experience I’ve had was 2 years ago when I got banned from !europe@feddit.org for “racism and gaslighting” on the basis of, well, pretty much nothing except the moderator’s paranoia.

It wasn't me, but looking at your moderation log and the messages in question, I would have called it "islamophobia and downplaying neo-nazi crimes" and banned you just the same. Others are welcome to have a look at those messages and judge for themselves 🤷

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah their mod log is wild, and only amazing they haven't been banned from more.

I guess that's what they meant by stopping politics?

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (13 children)

Also, to add:

Information hygiene here is bad.

Every day, nearly every time I scroll the feed, some spicy headline goes past. When I go to look it up, it’s often completely made-up misinformation, or a warped ragebait headline, or a literally bot-written Tweet, yet it’s voted right to the front page.

…I thought Reddit refugees would be sick of this, and more careful/skeptical, but apparently not. I’ve even talked to some users who don’t understand the distinction between opinion columns and news.

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Every day, nearly every time I scroll the feed, some spicy headline goes past. When I go to look it up, it’s often completely made-up misinformation, or a warped ragebait headline, or a literally bot-written Tweet, yet it’s voted right to the front page.

I think this is the thing that bothers me the most about Lemmy. I thought we all came here to get away from this intentionally misleading bullshit, but I guess not.

The political subreddits, especially the "politics" ones, are the absolute worst about this. Like, there is so, so, SO much real shit to get mad at about the current US administration, so why is most of what I see completely cherry-picked rage-bait bullshit??

Edit: Also, same as imaqtpie, I'm totally stealing "information hygeine" for calling out posts like that.

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

I was curious about the posts mentioned so I took a look at your history and can kinda see why. The Linux one didn't make too much sense to me but people were generally nice to you, although understandable skeptical since you're talking about hardware not working. Honestly you had a bit of a meltdown in that thread, which I think contributed more to the down votes than the initial opinion (like you said, text brings out a worse version of yourself).

The political ones, I mostly pieced together genecide denial (?) which has generally been very unpopular here. To be fair, that was more than a year ago, although what was unpopular then has aged even worse, what with people in Europe getting arrested for pro-Palastinian views and such.

I'm not saying the behavior of mods and such were justified, of course, just... y'know, two sides of the story. You're in the right to express your views and seek discussion, but others have an equal right to call you out on it-- especially if you get defensive and rude over polite, reasonable responses.

But that's just my two cents. I only ever comment, and I've had moments with people being rude or misunderstanding my intent. It happens, as social media is just that way.

Yeah the dude is trying to point it a "their problem", while he is trying to excuse a genocide. I don't know about the ban, but it's funny that these kinds of people always think they are somehow victims.

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[–] MissingInteger@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

A feature I like about Lemmy is that the mod-log is public and that you can go from comments in the mod-log directly to the related discussions.

People should really check out OP's mod-log and make up their own minds.
Especially about the things he wrote about in his "Lowlights" section.

[–] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

The mod logs are public in a sense, but also completely useless against the power hungry mods since they can ban and hide all the details of post/comment removals, and hide behind the anonymous mod name.

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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So a good time apart from the usual cestpools of life: political and news communities.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Great post. I'm frequently reminded that 40k people is so much more than it seems as I consistently encounter users who have been here and quite active for 3 years and yet I don't recognize them.

That ban from c/Europe is a badge of honor in my book. One of the nice things about the modlog is that anyone can quickly verify whether bans or comment removals are justified according to their own perspective. It shouldn't always be as necessary as it currently is, but with people on Lemmy constantly throwing around accusations of bigotry, nazism, genocide denial, etc, its quite useful to be able to quickly view a user's moderation history. Honestly that might be the most useful feature that Lemmy has, aside from the ability to federate.

However, I do have one minor quibble with your post.

for me this was quite a shocking confirmation of the intolerance of a certain section of the (mainly US) left.

To ascribe your banning from a European community on a European server because of an opinion on a European situation to the US left is quite unreasonable. Also, the mod who banned you appears to be German. This is one of my pet peeves about Lemmy, that Americans always seem to take collateral damage in the most random threads lol. The Lemmy user base is significantly more international than the reddit user base in my experience, and thus the anti-American attitudes that seem quite common outside of the US are frequently exhibited here.

I don't know that there's anything that can be done about it, but I do know that it's unproductive to blame Americans from the outside looking in. I mean it's unproductive to blame average people for the actions of their government anyway, but it's especially annoying coming from people who don't even live here and often lack a lot of context and empathy with their angry rants. None of this applies to you personally btw, but I'm just saying it for the record.

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[–] mbp@slrpnk.net 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm eagerly looking forward to more silly, niche communities. Communities like /c/pigeon@mander.xyz & /c/stick@sh.itjust.works are wonderful examples of people providing genuinely human and silly fun content. It shows there's an actual community, not just nerds advocating for Linux.

I do find a few things annoying about the federation system, like opening links directly to lemmy.world on my desktop an having to surgically recreate the link on my instance if I want to interact with it at all. I figure it's part of the growing pains and we will find interesting ways to solve it.

Still, I feel so much better using this platform. I feel like contributing isn't just padding the Reddit admin's pockets and being used to fuel AI models. Y'all are a much more chill group anyway. I'll keep posting my food here.

[–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

Communities like /c/pigeon@mander.xyz & /c/stick@sh.itjust.works

The !communityname@instancename format works better, it's more universal to other platforms/apps. !pigeon@mander.xyz and !stick@sh.itjust.works

I do find a few things annoying about the federation system, like opening links directly to lemmy.world on my desktop an having to surgically recreate the link on my instance if I want to interact with it at all.

You can copy paste the URL into you instance's search box.

But I do think we also need this feature https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2318

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I agree 100% with everything you're saying. Expectation of conformity and zero-tolerance of nonconformity form a sort of tyranny that always makes any discussion of locally accepted gospel impossible. Many social media communities seem founded on absolutist beliefs that just aren't up for discussion at all. Sometimes even asking informational questions out of genuine curiosity is treated as shilling or trolling - I suppose in those communities asking questions about doctrine any right-thinker should already know and accept is automatically suspect.

As a Hacker News-type person I never thought of my communication as Spock-like, but that's a great term!

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[–] eleijeep@piefed.social 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you for contributing and for this introspective analysis, but thank you most of all for writing it yourself and not using a random word generator to do it for you. It’s a rare treat to read human prose these days.

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[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

And then there's the echo-chamber problem. It turns out that when people have an option to avoid dealing with ideas they disagree with (even slightly), very many of them choose that option. IMO this is a major (perhaps fatal) problem with social media. The fediverse is not magically immune from it.

Yeah. Federated social media is even more prone to this effect than centralized. This is the single reason why I believe Lemmy can't possibly become anything meaningful on a global scale. It is a purgatory built in the image of long dead websites where we all wait for the rotting corpses of old media to wither away.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago (25 children)

It does have a bit of a echochamber (defederation and moderation) problem, i agree. We should look out for that.

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[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the tribalism, purity testing, and mod power tripping is far worse here than reddit. I was banned from memes.ml two days ago for pointing out it's in bad taste to celebrate the deaths of American soliders, and I totally don't support at all what Americans are doing in Iran or Palestine. After a couple back and forths I was banned for spam. I was responding to comments, explaining my position, not spamming. Then to top it off, I was banned from privacy.ml yesterday. I saw a user I was arguing with the previous day using an argument I taught them. I literally explained something to them in a DM, and they were using it correctly against someone else, and I was again banned for "spam." A single silly "I'm proud of you" comment. Granted it was obvious that they clearly didn't like me but still, you can't get caught doing that and not expect me to say something. Very immature.

What I find funny about it all is they're banning someone who's on their team. I'm on board with most of the stereotypical .ml ideology (I don't think we'd get along OP), but some users, and especially those with power, have no tolerance for any dissent. I don't even think I was dissenting, just saying the evil facist bootlicking troops probably aren't as evil as they want them to be, so don't cheer when they die. Is that really too much for some people?

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (17 children)

Lemmy is a total echo chamber, so I was smiling when you said "it's not immune to it". That's the understatement of the year award. :)

Upvotes make sure that popular opinions are at the top and people even report opinions they dont like to moderators here. Lol.

At least I'm on a good instance with a sane owner, but Jesus Christ, this place can be ridiculous. I've been told I'm a troll for disagreeing with the majority many, many times.

Not vaccinering against covid used to upset almost everyone, and it probably still does.

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[–] ChristerMLB@piefed.social 8 points 3 weeks ago (24 children)

I'm mostly here to argue about politics with people who aren't conservatives or libertarians - just like you, I think engaging with different opinions is healthy, and I've had a hard time finding leftists to argue with elsewhere.

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