Legitimately the Internet was a better place before conservatives figured out how to use it.
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They got in early. I remember researching the Holocaust for a school assignment in the late nineties/early aughts and the top result was a conspiracy theorist/Holocaust denial screed. An openly racist one with slurs and epithets throughout, no less. The early internet was wild.
There was also Stormfront, a white supremacist forum with hundreds of thousands of accounts. Members openly detailed their plans to infiltrate police precincts and federal agencies by having fellow Stormfronters already employed there vouch for them, with the goal of creating a network of supporters throughout the entire law enforcement apparatus to advance their supremacist agenda and sabotage any investigations into them. Looking at the news, it's not hard to imagine they succeeded.
Fucking Stormfront. What an absolute abomination. I haven’t thought about them for years…
Sometime probably around the turn of the century I was emailed a link to like a Q & A or advice section on the site.
This nazi had to learn a second language and wanted to know where people drew the line as acceptable foreign languages.
Some said English only… but that Danish, German, Polish, Russian etc were kinda acceptable. Spanish, Italian, French etc was shaky ground and best avoided. Anything outside of Europe you might as well kill yourself before we do. That was the gist of the answers.
It was hilarious, terrifying and pitiful in equal measures…
"Legitimately the Internet was a better place before ..." it became more like TV and a corporate shopping mall, and less like a Library and a village fair.
so...never?
just because they weren't old boomers doesn't mean the nazi 14 yr olds were somehow not conservatives. If you could find any of the old longbeards from early unix forums and asked them their opinions on minorities I'm sure you'd get fun responses. They were always here, the difference is that they didn't feel legitimized.
Before nerds made it easy enough for conservatives and normies to use it. We did this.
“We aren’t really being persecuted, but imagine we were? Wow, that feels bad. That bad feeling justifies anything we want to do.”
The conservative thought process in a nutshell.
"I hate the smell of coffee. Let's go to a coffee shop and demand it smell good TO ME" is the one I grew up with
Just fork tesseract and replace the blocklist /s
Why the "\s"? That sounds like a most optimal solution!
Just remove half the blocklist, and instead of having a pure bland expetience, you'll instead get extremism pure.
What's there not to like?
So this unironically, but be open about it so people know what they're opting into.
fascist*
conservative are christian democrats (in the US a close equivalent would be Rockefeller Reps), à la Charlie Baker. Those are the real Reps. Trumpists and the like are RINOs.
a conservative is interested in keeping things as is, stable, favouring democracy (even if imperfect). They prefer to avoid a perceived 'haste' in change, but do not outright oppose it.
a fascist opposes both; they above all break down labour rights and align with the reactionary, irresponsible bourgeoise, rather than the proletariat whose labour they employ. Fascism favours the radical change into militarism to enforce its will, rather than building bridges through dialogue.
The dems in America are a lot closer to what conservatism classically is than republicans have been in over 50 years.
ike was the last of his kind. the civil rights acts of the 1960s broke the republican party... voter rights, desegregation... they could not (and still cannot) handle those people being equal. the 'modern' republican party is defined by their hatred.
a conservative is interested in keeping things as is, stable, favouring democracy (even if imperfect).
This has never been the case. People calling themselves conservatives have always been all about tearing down existing systems in order to magically replace them with a fever dream about how it was "in the good old days". Conservatism has always been a destructive and dangerous ideology.
Regressive militaristic enforcement of hierarchy and in/out groups is absolutely “conservatism” at its core.
Some “conservatives” may not agree with every single point but the ideology remains the same.
Yeah, people always confuse reactionaries with conservatives. They are different philosophies entirely.
Or just think back to the mid-90s Internet, when conservatives still had 12:00 blinking on their VCRs.
That's not entirely fair. I know a dude who was a tech for the US army and is conservative. Dipshit told me he voted for Trump 4 times in 2016, which is the last time we spoke. It was an, uh, interesting conversation
He told you four times, or he voted four times?
Should be fairly hard to vote four times. If you send in absentee ballots and then go vote, well, you only get one voter id, so the previous attempt is just overwritten.
Maybe he fooled himself?
he voted absentee, then he went to ~~four~~ [edit: wait, three. it's been a bit] different precincts. he ignored all conversation in which they would have told them that this would cancel his absentee and any previous votes he had cast (which also cancelled his local votes. dipshit. he only voted for president on his fraudulent ballots). it's almost like they built the system to plan for this kind of tomfoolery and fraud. and that they, meaning the authorities, would likely know what he was up to even if i didn't (and wouldn't, in light of our long friendship) report him, and that he was guilty of a 5 year max felony. which is what i told him. also warned him not to tell me about any more election-related crimes because i was obligated by my profession's code of ethical conduct to report them. i wasn't, but i wanted him to knock off his dipshittery maybe. haven't seen him since.
it’s almost like they built the system to plan for this kind of tomfoolery and fraud.
yeah.
I love how billionaires act like they’re arguing on behalf of the people they fleece, like they’re all in it together. It’s like a game of Lemmings. The ruling class leads them with rage bait and lies, and then walks them off a cliff when they’re done with them.
Working class people that think they’re in the big money club is as sad as it gets.
Also most of them defend billionaires fiercely. Its scary how easily so many people can be brainwashed with propaganda.
The internet has become so much less angry in the last few days since I rigorously block everyone arguing in bad faith, reich-wingers and lemmy.ml
Or that Garfield comic where on one side you got the grey Garfield toxically arguing a lot with people on Shitter, versus Garfield simply blocking.
If they censor your opponents, then they censor you next.
Or if you are AdmiralPatrick you censor the word censor
I disagree people need to understand each other. On the other hand toxic right wing misinformation? That can go fuck itself and its creators lol.
Any toxic information.
100% agreed, only said conservative because of the topic but toxic left misinformation should also go fuck itself and its creator
On the other hand toxic right wing misinformation? That can go fuck itself
That's what they said, "right wing content".
The only measure by which "we need police to protect people from criminals" is less toxic than "we need to stop migration to preserve the white race" is how palatable it is to centrists. Both promote causing harm to millions of people while pretending to be necessary for the safety of you and me, tricking people into supporting egregious violence against vulnerable minorities.
I'm not your mom, I can't tell you how to resolve your cognitive dissonance, but the boundary you're proposing is merely a popularity contest.
Honestly it would just be leftist cannibalism. Lefties telling other lefties they aren't left enough.
Hey you, reading this message, you aren't left enough. Be more left.
Imagine US Education where the lunatic writings of Dennis Prager isn't part of the curriculum.
How would I know who I'm supposed to hate?
Anyone different than yourself, duh. Conservatism isn't difficult.
Easy. You'd just carry on hating anyone who points out your book already insists you "love the sinner, hate the sin". World view intact. Just anyone who tries to offer you logic.
Imagine a world where the people were smart enough to not put conservative content out into the world
it'd be bad, really bad.
Online Censorship is always really bad and this'll just lead to more issues and echo chambers
Except they're he censorship party, not their opponents, so the only way this could be true is if they stop posting content. Utopia
Censorship yay!
While I agree that I don't like conservative content. Censorship is still censorship.
On the one hand, sure. On the other hand, this is exactly what AdmiralPatrick had in his mind.
No, AdmiralPatrick imagined a world where no one hears anyone say genocide is bad or trans people exist.
Like all centrists.
Then lets just censor thought terminating cliche, which makes up most of the conservative thought, and also stop billionaires funding chuds.
Hmmm, reminds me of something... oh, yeah!
Imagine all the people living life in peace