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[–] TuringCompleteSocialist@lemmy.world 103 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Ye nah, absolutely fuck the meet industry.

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 43 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

fuck the meet industry

It all started going downhill with Zoom.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's amazing how hard Microsoft dropped the ball on that one.

[–] Localhorst86@feddit.org 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I am still baffled by Microsofts incompetence. Skyping was literally used synonymously for video conferencing in general,

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[–] bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 4 weeks ago (69 children)

As much as I find chickens, and all avians in general, cute and I find it sickening the way they are treated... I do love eggs, they're tasty, versatile, easy to cook, and unbelievably healthy.

I think the differential we have to identify is one thing, and that is scale.

I am not a vegan, I do not believe it is wrong to consume animals or animal-sourced products, however I do support animal welfare and believe that if we are to raise livestock for consumption they should be treated as the sentient, thinking, feeling creatures that they are and cared for accordingly.

Imagine instead of human and animal rights we just had "sentient rights", for example.

Being able to test for sentience is a topic in and of itself, and out of scope for my argument.

I think there is no harm done in, a hypothetical world where people had the space to do such a thing, raising our own livestock, limited to individual homesteads or the immediate settlement (a local town market, for example).

The line where it becomes unethical is quite obvious really, are the animals treated as living things, or machines to simply fuel and feed to grow them for slaughter and harvest? Yes, in my example of fair treatment the goal may be to raise them for eventual slaughter, but its their lifelong treatment where this applies, not the overall objective.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 27 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

The better treatment balloons costs by requiring more land and more care, which significantly inflates the cost of the final products. This could be an effective measure for reducing meat consumption by people buying less to save money, many people would be against those increases.

Its just like mass produced clothing. Since they dont see the abuse and destruction, they are satisfied with the lower prices at the store.

[–] bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Again, scale.

How much of the meat produced is actually eaten? What’s the chance for each garment produced to actually be worn more than once?

The current system can downsize significantly without needing to raise prices, as we’re already in a significant surplus.

The point at which products are no longer guaranteed due to demand is when the prices have to go up.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

That surplus is factored in to the companies making money and providing consistant demand. Prices will increase if the treatment gets better because the capitalists and oligarchs will not willingly take a profits cut. The surplus waste in the current system could be utilized better, for example fast freezing and being provided to food banks or soup kitchens.

No matter how you cut it, if labor and land demand increases, the price will increase.

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[–] MBech@feddit.dk 7 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I don’t really disagree with you, but land area isn’t actually a significant factor. When you consider how much land is used to produce feed for the pigs, it’s clear that the stables themselves take up very little space.

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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

if we are to raise livestock for consumption they should be treated as the sentient

this is a contradiction in itself.

It is normal and healthy for people to empathize with the animals they eat, to be concerned about whether or not they are living happy lives and to hope they are slaughtered humanely. However, if it is unethical to harm these animals, then it is more unethical to kill them.

Killing animals for food is far worse than making them suffer. Of course, it is admirable that people care so deeply about these animals that they take deliberate steps to reduce their suffering (e.g. by purchasing "free-range" eggs or "suffering free" meat). However, because they choose not to acknowledge the right of those same animals to live out their natural lives, and because slaughtering them is a much greater violation than mistreatment, people who eat 'humane' meat are laboring under an irreconcilable contradiction.

from https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/humane-meat

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[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 6 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

I think there is no harm done in, a hypothetical world where people had the space to do such a thing, raising our own livestock, limited to individual homesteads or the immediate settlement (a local town market, for example).

That's fundamentally what I'm doing. My girlfriend also loves chickens and ducks so we bought a couple, build a big, nice coop for them (with fucking floor heating because why not lmao), also dug a pond for the ducks and now we have plenty of eggs and my girlfriend can just sit in the chicken enclose when depression kicks and the chickens and ducks take care of that. Best decision we made so far.

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[–] guynamedzero@piefed.zeromedia.vip 6 points 4 weeks ago (15 children)

Btw, veganism is really about just minimizing the harm you cause to the world. Don’t let any puritans tell you otherwise. What you have described is a form of veganism! Admittedly, it’s a little bit minimalistic, but it’s still something!

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 27 points 4 weeks ago (14 children)

I hope when I die my corpse is cut up, fried in my own body fat, and fed to pigs.

Fuck factory farms, things dont have to be this way. For this and many other wrongs in our world.

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[–] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago (27 children)

long-time vegan here, this argument is as old as time.

is it ethical to kill? no.

do humans need meat to survive? no.

is animal agriculture equivalent to slavery? yes.

if you eat meat, deep down inside you know you're supporting: murder, rape, entrapment, torture, and slavery. that includes eggs and milk.

bonus fun fact: pigs are smarter than dogs

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Even just a general reduction of meat consumption in the populace could eradicate this kind of farming.

[–] lookingforanALFpolycule@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

“Reduction of slavery could eradicate whippings”

Abolish it

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[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I disagree. They are very likely the worst of the industries in seeing here. Not even in just one way either.

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[–] madrabeagdubh@piefed.social 17 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

What the fuck. We can do without factory farming!

[–] imeansurewhynot@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Don't give industrialized ag a pass. i get why you did, but you can get bacon without Oscar mayer.

[–] lookingforanALFpolycule@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Yeah vegan bacon is great :)

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)
[–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I feel like I’ve been standing my entire life and I just sat down

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 12 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Fuck corporations. I buy my pigs from a local farmer and kill them myself. My coworkers complain but I tell them it's much better when it's fresh.

[–] BoosBeau@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago

How do you kill the local farmers? And, how have you not run out of farms yet? Are you feeding the farmers to your coworkers? So many questions

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

How are you able to butcher and cook a pig all within your 30 minute lunch break?

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 13 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago
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[–] lokalhorst@feddit.org 10 points 4 weeks ago

What the fuck

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago (11 children)

Caplyta is an anti-psychotic.

Do you really want to take that from me?!?

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

At least give the animals a nice time until slaughter. Stress fucks up the meat.

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[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 4 weeks ago (12 children)

Vegan bacon has become really fine though.

[–] LinkeSocke@feddit.org 6 points 4 weeks ago

The Billie Green Bacon is so tasty! Never saw a Problem with Vegan Bacon. Since I'm Vegan I instantly found that, and eat that since then. Was it shit for a long time?

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[–] CazzoBuco@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago (28 children)

All meat eaters are evil chuds, no exceptions, they just don't like being reminded about the demented cruelty they support.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago (10 children)

Binary thinkers aren't intelligent or productive members of society, they just don't like being reminded about the lack of intelligence that they have. I'm sure someone will read your comment here and then stop eating meat lol

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[–] kablez@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

Just let the pig live on a nice farm omg.

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