Two thirds of ICE would split if they had to stop killing people.
this post was submitted on 15 Jul 2026
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99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
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In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
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I've been saying something similar for years with regards to cops. People are always like "he was suspected of robbing a store and he was fleeing" or "maybe he was on drugs" or "I heard he abused his kids" and its like, okay yeah, but if the cops caught that guy and brought him before a judge, even the judge wouldn't sentence them to death by firing squad! So no matter what we feel about if there should be police, or what their role is, we should at least definitely agree that they shouldn't be able to shoot someone fleeing a petty crime or whatever.
Even the cop apologists ought to agree that if a police officer can't catch a person without damaging them beyond what a sentence would carry, then that person should go free. Better luck next time, but opening fire on a person just because you can't run fast is unfathomable.
Ought to... but they don't care. Because they already don't see the victim as human, so they actually wish the sentence was firing squad, and so they're glad the boys in blue are out there carrying out proper justice, saving a bunch of time and headaches for the courts that were too afraid to do the right thing anyway...
So... whatever I guess. Hopefully their kids will hate them and be better...
That works if the official story is the suspect was trying to flee. In all of these cases (as far as I'm aware), the suspect is "using their vehicle as a weapon" or in pretti's case, approached with a loaded weapon (this one in Maine seems more muddled tho with them initially saying he was fleeing and then changing their story like 15 times to make it seem like he was trying to hurt or kill ice agents)
Anyone who even takes a cursory glance at the existing video evidence of literally any of the cases including those who were shot and survived can see that this rhetoric is blatantly untrue and it is absolutely remarkable that these most recent cases involve zero officers with body cams for some mysterious reason. Regardless, it's important to note that it is the official position of ~~the Gestapo~~ ice that these victims aren't just fleeing, they are putting ~~brave warriors~~ these disgusting piss baby agents' lives at risk.
What if we convince the for profit prison system that cops are stealing their profits by killing people?
Oh god no.
Enemy of my enemy is worse than the first enemy.
Nicely put.
'killing' here is a weasel word, just say murdering. It's what you mean anyway, fuck any legal indemnification, that was always bullshit.
Where else "Show us zie papers or you vill be shot" was the norm, hmmm 🤔
It's always the same tactic: distract from the main point, try to get your opponents hung up on minor, controversial points. Try to change what the discourse is about.
Don't let them.
Ice should spread fear. Murdering people is a side effect