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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Rustmilian@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Porn sites Pornhub, XVideos, and Stripchat face stricter requirements to verify the ages of their users after being officially designated as “Very Large Online Platforms” (VLOPs) under the European Union’s Digital Services Act (DSA).

I personally have mixed feelings, as the information collection could be used to link individuals and profile them. Possibly leading to discrimination if abused.

But I also feel that any random kid shouldn't be able to just go to these sites and see porn freely.
Ofc, there's always going to be those who mange to circumvent any protection put in place but it'd be much harder then just clicking a link or typing in the address.

I also feel that parents should actively monitor their kids online activities and step up a Blocklist to pro-actively prevent kids from reaching these sites to begin with.

What are your thoughts on this?

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[-] Squid@leminal.space 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Another reason to pirate

Also if the government do feel the need to "help" parents and the larger social fabric then why not put money into civil dutys classes in schools. Teach kid how to grow into normal adults, the trickle down would be much greater than these half baked ducktape tactics

[-] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Yea but a lot might see a boobie, can you image the horror.
Content filtering solutions are imperfect but it's good enough and easy enough to use at home if you need to.
Worst case, your kid learns to bypass content filtering and sparks a career in IT or something.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You literally walk a block in NYC and see titties.
There's a lot more extreme content out there.

[-] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Then just use one of the existing content filtering/ parental control tools for your home network?

I don't see the benefit of another privacy invasion when there's already solutions for this exact problem.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I already mentioned that in my post.

[-] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Then have a nice day, I guess

There are various ways in which age verification can be done without sacrificing privacy. Sadly, that requires standardised digital ID combined with several privacy preserving technologies that I've only seen used experimentally (I think Yivi comes closest, but its protocol involves sending identifiers between their servers and the consuming service, and requires services to be registered rather than arbitrarily accessible).

In its core, these protocols use digitally signed attributes (could be "SSN" or "birthday", but more practically this could also just be "is over 18"). With this system, you can simply transmit the token that says "I'm an adult", the website verifies this, and you're done. To prevent abuse through infinite reuse, these apps need to be verified occasionally, and the secrets must not be stored somewhere they can be copied from easily, but phones have solved that problem ages ago.

Unfortunately, I don't think governments who support these restrictions will also invest into these technologies. Perhaps efforts such as eIDAS will allow for some kind of non-profit to create and generate these tokens based on your standard digital government ID, but as of now, there's nothing.

Any technology can be bypassed by kids (just steal dad's porn pass!), so there's a limit to how effective age gates are. On the other hand, anything that requires stealing stealing devices protected with a PIN will be sufficient in most cases.

[-] Hillock@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago

I am in favor of stricter age verification for certain content. Not only for porn but also dating apps, social media, online shops, etc. But the current methods of age verification are a privacy nightmare and go well beyond what is reasonable. Especially since companies can't be trusted to not do bad stuff with that information.

What is necessary is a double anonymity age verification service. Ideally run by a company that by law is required to be very transparent. That way we don't have to provide personal information to companies that have no actual need for it but can still reduce the amount of minors getting into places they shouldn't be.

Yes, it won't be perfect, yes there will always be bad actors, but it will still do more good than harm.

I personally am open for a discussion about reducing the minimum age to view porn. I don't have strong feelings either way.

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[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

I don't think about it except I canmt wait till one of its non-corporate authors gets into FO(finding out) tyme ;)

[-] Zorque@kbin.social -5 points 10 months ago

I think its the regulatory body's responsibility to provide a safe and secure service that can verify age requirements if they want to force that.

If they can't provide that service, they shouldn't require it, especially with such sensitive information.

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