Creating a mini-ITX system based on the 9060 is a pretty good alternative. It's gonna cost you, but so is the SM.
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The Steam Machine itself is just a very fancy prebuilt PC - so while it is your preference, there's no reason a similar spec prebuilt wouldn't work too
Would you have any suggestion? I was looking at what tuxedo offers, but I’m a bit lost with the specs.
https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Computer-/-PCs/Alle-Systeme.tuxedo
Looks like anything above the nano pro is more powerful than the Steam machine as long as you don't pick the weakest GPU in the configurator.
Technically their Cube L w/ a 9060 XT 16GB outperforms the Steam Cube by a long shot (I'd guess 40-80%) and offers upgradeability but it's also wildly more expensive and a little bit bigger. It also comes with 32gb RAM at a minimum instead of the Cube's 16gb which contributes to the high price. Choosing an older GPU like the 7600 doesn't make too much sense cost and feature wise, for Couch gaming you'd want the newest FSR'n'stuff in a just-works manner.
Technically a full AMD system is best for SteamOS, but the most important piece is the GPU (do not chose an Nvidia whatsoever). Their Cube with AMD is outdated. It will work fine with the Ultra 5.
Beating the price point of the Steam Cube is almost impossible if bought new, even full diy systems have a hard time unless using used parts.
Beating the price point of the Steam Cube is almost impossible if bought new, even full diy systems have a hard time unless using used parts.
A regular pre-built with a 9060 XT 8GB can be had for about 10% less than the Steam Machine (900 Euro). That will be quite a bit faster and also upgradeable. The main advantage of the Steam Machine is the form factor and power consumption.
As I understand it, Steam Machines are not particularly powerful so I think it would be worth exploring pre-builts that are around what you want to spend to see if you can get something comparable or better. SteamOS will be available to install on all desktops at some point but in the meantime there are plenty of gaming focussed distros that will do a superb job. Unfortunately with memory prices the way they are you aren't really getting the same bang for your buck that you did previously, but there isn't much any of us can do about it at present. Good luck with it all, it is certainly a very exciting time to be getting into Linux gaming!
I would recommend a pre-built system for two reasons:
- Better performance for about the same price.
- You will get it in a few days, for the Steam Machine you will wait until 2027!
The only real reasons to get a Steam Machine are if:
- You really want your computer to be a 6" cube
- You really want HDMI CEC support
- You really want to give your money to Valve instead of some other company
Otherwise, something else will be cheaper and/or faster, at the cost of being a more normal desktop size and shape.
I haven't had a prebuilt desktop since I was 15, so I would definitely build my own. (In other words, if the thing stopping you is being nervous about screwing it up, don't be because it isn't actually hard.)
Otherwise, I don't have any specific prebuilt brand recommendations for you, but I'll echo the advice to get something with a Radeon 9060 XT (or better). Alternatively, if you think you might want to do AI things with it too instead of just gaming, consider a small-form-factor PC with a fast APU and a lot of unified memory (e.g. like the Framework Desktop or Minisforum MS-S1 Max) or a Radeon RX 7900 XTX (with 24GB RAM), but be aware that those would be a lot more expensive right now.
Not op but to give my perspective, I’m not a computer person, and I’m on the waitlist for a steam machine for a few reasons:
- I’m terrified of breaking the expensive computer parts if I tried to build my own computer. That’s potentially a lot of money to waste
- I don’t even know enough about computers to know which parts are good. I’ve looked into it, and I could probably create a decent grocery list for myself, but I have no personal sense of what’s good or bad
- I want to switch to Linux gaming and the steam machine offers Linux gaming in a prebuilt package. I don’t have to download Linux or proton myself, or pick which distro I want to use. I want to just boot up the steam machine and have things work. (I got Kubuntu for myself on my laptop to try Linux but even that was scary for me. Progress takes time and the steam machine offers an easier learning curve)
- I get valve support if something doesn’t work or needs fixing
I’d like to one day get to the point where I can build my own computer and be confident on Linux. But for now, the steam machine offers an ease of access that I’m willing to pay more for. Hopefully the steam machine can inspire people who’ve never even considered trying Linux to give it a go on their other devices as well
All good and valid points!
As you say, progress takes time, have a good journey!
I just installed SteamOS on a mini PC that costs about half what the Steam Machine does (and less than the Deck under current pricing), and runs on an AMD 7840HS with 32GB of RAM in a form-factor that's the size of 3 stacked pieces of bread.
While that APU is likely powerful than the Steam machine's with its dedicated VRAM, I did test a few games and it definitely outperforms the Deck and the higher system RAM makes it potentially more versatile than either.
Hello from Germany,
hit me up with a message, maybe we can work it out
Thanks for the proposal, but since it involves huge sums of money, I’d only try with someone I know in real life😇
Are you willing to consider a mail-forwarding service?
In my country (further East from you), it's a somewhat popular and reliable way to buy stuff that no retailer or the vendor itself offers.
I got Oculus Rift S that way once, years ago, and it was pretty painless - some services will help you handle a lot of the paperwork greatly. Maybe even entirely for you.
The big benefit here is that they usually have the warehouses in the countries that do sell what you want, and established logistical chains to ship things safely and I would even say quickly.
The bigger benefit is having a legal entity to work with, which lets you insure the goods and press charges if the mailer steals, loses or damages them.
More expensive than kind strangers on the internet, but if you're that careful, maybe this is an option.
That said, your Steam region and Valve's restration for purchase makes this route difficult. Maybe you could create an account in another region, like the US or Germany, generate some activity and purchases there, wait for whatever minimum Valve sets, and order via the mail-forwarder (to their warehouse, from where they ship to you).
On an unrelated note, I did not expect to see a Swiss in the same boat of all people. Viel Glück am Kaufen!
Hi, if you want to I can dig around and make you a list of components it will be cheaper and with a better performance ratio.
Building a pc is not that hard, it's closer to legos theese days and installing linux is easy ( I would recommend bazzite with kde ).
Gruezi, I built my own steam machine, with the following specs:
- AMD ryten 7 5800X cpu
- 16GB DDR4 leftover memory (2666MHz)
- AMD RX 9070 XT graphics card (they're a great deal at the moment compared to other graphic cards, great bang for bucks e.g. https://www.brack.ch/acer-grafikkarte-predator-bifrost-amd-rx-9070-xt-16g-oc-1841447)
- Lian-Li A3-mITX case (can accomodate graphic cards up to at least 32cm)
- asrock b550M pro-4
- be quiet pure rock slim 3
- lian - li edge gold 850W PSU (I bought this as it was advertised SFF on galaxus but it is in fact a regular ATX, which still fits but prevents graphic cards of 32cm or larger, mine just barely fit).
The main difference with the steam machine is that it is larger, does not have HDMI-CEC (which turns on your TV automatically when the pc turns on, but I don't mind), or the official valve support, but frankly, my experience with steamOS has been stellar, I've run it for multiple months and I really love it. But with the official steam controller (which I'm also waiting on) I'm sure my experience would be close enough to perfect for myself. Good luck!
I think easiest option as of now is to have some friends or family in one of the neighbouring EU countries and ask them to order it. If you have any.
I’m clealy looking in my personal adress book to find someone who would be techie enough to order it for me and pass Valve selective process😅
There are also dozend of commercial freight forwarders on the borders who do exactly that. The more pressing issue is the steam account.
I'd just build my own PC, duh.
Never understood the hype behind pre-builts. Over half the fun of owning a gaming PC is picking your own parts and assembling it yourself. By having someone else do that part, you're robbing yourself of the joy of owning your own custom machine.
Plenty of people just want an appliance to play games.
I build my own, but that's because I want to save money. Actually picking the parts and figuring out compatibility, specs, etc is my least favorite exercise. Luckily I have a friend who cares way more about that, so I tell them what I want to achieve and they give me a shopping list.
Hence why consoles exist.
BUY A DOCK. CONNECT TO YOUR TV OF CHOICE.
Once you have that set up, pair a controller/keyboard/mouse to the deck. You just replaced your PS5. Not in the sense of complete power or graphical fidelity, but its bananas what the games pumped through my docked steam deck look like on the tv.
I have been linux gaming for a couple of years. I was in a transition away from Playstation already due to expense of multiplayer and the general value that I WASNT receiving from Sony. I was a day 1 adopter of the original deck, and it has worked very well for me in handheld mode, so I bought a dock to try it out. I only use my desktop gaming PC for true keyboard and mouse games that make me want to be close to the screen.
That’s clearly something that I’m already doing and enjoying.
Still I need something more powerful for sim racing even if all my other games work well docked.
But yeah the Deck can be surprisingly good when docked, especially if like me you don’t mind 720p and 30fps👍
Get a prebuilt PC which there are few vendors that has even has Linux pre-installed as well as the specs works great without much hassle.
Steam Machines are available here in my area. Instead, I repurposed a small form factor machine I already had that was much more powerful anyways that has a built in graphics card. At the time I purchased it a few years ago, it was about $1000CDN, the Minisforum Neptune HX99G.
Install Steam OS on a Linux PC. The Steam Machine is overpriced and mid range. It’s okay for beginners. Members of a Linux gaming comm can probably do better.
Note that presently, Steam OS is only for AMD builds. If you have Intel and/or Nvidia, you’ll need to wait. Support for those is coming soon.
Maybe you can have a friend getting it delivered in france or germany, then shipped again to you (or better, go see tbem irl to get it yourself!)
As someone who pre-order the OG steam controller and steam deck I'm sitting this one out. The hardware situation is just too bad right now. Then again there's no guarantee it will actually get better, but I have some faith in China still
Build one! If you've already got the money, building a computer is not as hard as it might seem. You can put SreamOS on there but Bazzite and CachyOS are good gaming options too.
As I've told others, 'it's like really expensive legos'. Cpu go in cpu hole. Ram go in ram hole. Nvme go in nvme hole. Success!
Accurate as long as you use something like pcpartpicker to ensure compatibility.
So they sell the steam deck in your country now? You can probably just wait a good while for them to sell in your country.
If you wait long enough they might offer a barebones kit kind of like the old Intel nuks. You can get for cheaper and buy your own ram and storage. Its rumored that the failure for many ai data centers to come to fruition, will line up with the ram manufacturers getting new facilities up, will cause a crash in hardware prices. Don't know if that means cheap ram or if it gets more expensive in the wacky economy anymore, but its something to gain or lose from when you wait long enough.
I would definately not buy from a scalper though. The thing is barely worth it to me at 700 dollars as a fan boy who would love a new toy from valve. I could not imagine paying close to double for it, or risk getting just scammed. I'm sure I could do something like a charge back, or having to get on some Ai customer support to get my money back but its not worth it to me anymore.
The only way to get steam hardware, according to support, is to have a credit card, address and steam account from an EU country or other supported country. Or wait if a local reseller (like digitec) gets their hands on them.
What others are saying plus install bazzite
Raid a data center.
I would do what I always do and build my own computer. But as for what you should do, probably get a pre-built with AMD GPU, without operating system to avoid paying for Windows, and then follow Valve's instructions here to install SteamOS: https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/65B4-2AA3-5F37-4227