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https://blog.sciandnature.com/2025/07/for-first-time-scientists-observe.html?m=1

John 1:4 Life was in Him, and Life was the light of men.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light.” And light became.

how did the author of Genesis, and the Apostle John know that light can create matter, way before it was proven via using colliders?

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[–] Mandarbmax@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

This is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen to defend the validity of religion. Just take it on faith

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah, how did they know earth has four corners, before anyone sailed to each of them? How did the Quran know the universe expands and ends in the big crunch?

[+] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

where is the verse?

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Numbers 15:38. Ezekiel 7:2, Isaiah 11:12, Job 37:3 and 38:13, Revelation 7:1.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Numbers 15:38 “Speak to the sons of Israel, and you shall tell them to make for themselves hems at the corners of their cloaks, placing in them ribbons of hyacinth,
Ezekiel 7:2 “And as for you, son of man: Thus says the Lord God to the land of Israel: The end is coming, the end is coming, over the four regions of the earth.

regions, this can refer to the different classifications of the regions of Earth

Isaiah 11:12 And he will lift up a sign to the nations, and he will gather together the fugitives of Israel, and he will collect the dispersed of Judah from the four regions of the earth.

again, regions

Job 37:3 He beholds everything under the heavens, and his light reaches beyond the ends of the earth.
Job 38:13 And did you hold the extremities of the earth, shaking them, and have you shaken the impious out of it?
Revelation 7:1 After these things, I saw four Angels standing above the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, so that they would not blow upon the earth, nor upon the sea, nor upon any tree.

"corners" doesnt mean they believed the Earth was literally flat, but it could refer to a map, and Revelation is just trying to put into words a divine revelation, much of it which could be metaphors and/or parables

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah, the one most present to me is the Apocalypse. The last one, with the end time angels standing in the four corners and playing trumpet. I sometimes got bored in school and I'd pick up whatever book available and read it. Like the outrageous things in the Old Testament. It's memorable in that you can picture it easily. (They deliberately wrote it that way.) There's more. Like how you can't sit on the sofa with your wife on certain days. You can't eat shrimp or ferrets. And some ramblings about hooves. Dunno if that's supposed to be medical advice in the sense of science...

Apropos ferrets: What you're quoting is just one translation of many. And I personally don't even know which one is accurate. The ferrets for example are a ruse. You're not supposed to eat geckos... Ferrets are fair game. It's a wrong translation. (Explained by Tom Scott in one of his recent YouTube videos.)

But all the choice of words with the four "ends of the earth", the " four regions" is likely also influenced by the perspective of some medieval monks or whoever translated it (multiple times?). I'd say earth is obviously square. I mean even with the other paragraphs, four regions doesn't make sense on a disc, either. And I don't see many clues for it being a metaphor or parable. They're clearly referencing something rectangular, on multiple occasions.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you can either believe they believed the earth was flat, or they looked at a map and used a metaphor

and verses?

and most of the rules that are there in the old testament are for the preparation of the Messiah, which dont apply to us anymore

and some of it is actually teaching the Israelites to not use contaminated vessels or pots

we can go back to the original hebrew/greek if youd like

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean I don't see many clues for it being a metaphor or parable. They're clearly referencing something rectangular, on multiple occasions.

Sadly I'm not familiar with old languages. I had English and French in school, as second languages. No Latin, Greek or Hebrew.

Yeah, I sometimes wonder why people still read the Old Testament. Sometimes I'll see people call themselves Christians and reference that old stuff. Like eye for an eye, no blood transfusions, or they'll hate on LGBT+ people and reference some outdated verses superseded by Jesus and the new covenant 2000 years ago...

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the old testament isnt overall bad, theres wisdom and a lot of important stuff there, but most of the old testament laws were fulfilled by Jesus

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hmmh. And it kinda changed the entire story. Before, God was full of wrath, punished people left and right, was petty with all kind of detail. And after that he stopped messing with them in a regular basis. And now he's supposed to love his creation. Plus all that tribal stuff wasn't super relevant any more when Jesus and the Romans lived. At least not in the same way.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

because sin had a price back then, now Jesus died for us and paid the price, we can repent if we hate our sin but back then, the price was heavy

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, but "sin" is made up. Always has been. We can discuss it within the construct of thought, theology is. But other than that it's pretty boring concept, I think. It's a simplistic idea, invented to make people compliant.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it is not

it has drastic affects on the soul, mind, and often the body aswell

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

"They" want you to think that. That's why Christianity also comes with thought crimes and all the nasty stuff we had for most of the time. (And we still have as of today.) Eat the simple truths laid out for you, and don't activate your brain.

In reality, it's all deeply immoral. Even the New Testament thinks slavery is completely alright. Read all Paul's super sexist teachings. None of that is moral. And if you get a feeling of an effect on your soul, mind and body from those teachings, they got to you. I mean the effect is real. We call that psychological manipulation. It's the same thing psychopaths or narcissistic people inflict on others. It's real. But not a good thing.

And I didn't even get to how the church twisted it. That's yet another thing in itself.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -3 points 1 week ago

thought crimes?

and verses?

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sorry, seems we went too far, and I can't rely to the nested comment any more...

thought crimes?

They still taught me you can have dirty thoughts. And there's some concept of purity.

Also you have to really believe with all of your heart. If you don't do that inside of you, or there's substantial doubts in some corner of your brain, there's something wrong with you. Respectively, you're not doing it right.

[+] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you can have bad thoughts, yes, thats objectively true

do you not have intrusive thoughts?

and yes, you need to have Faith in Christ with all your heart, but if there is doubt, dont ignore it, read the Bible and study Christianity further and you will both get rid of that doubt and grow deeper in faith

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sure. Get rid of your rationality and your in-built sense of right and wrong. And instead do what we tell you to do. That's not the right kind of growth, though. You should take it seriously. And approach it with an open mind. And broaden your perspective. Don't just study one book harder. Read other scripture from all around the world. Learn about science. Different perspectives. That's how you grow.

do you not have intrusive thoughts?

I meant something like when you think your neighbour's wife is hot. Or if you (in your mind) secretly wish someone were gone/dead. Or whatever. That's all perfectly normal. We're humans and our brain processes all kinds of things on an average day. Not in Christianity, though! God spies on you 24/7. He invades your thoughts, you can't even be free inside of your own mind. And at the end of days, he's going to judge you for things like that. That's what I mean with thought crimes.

You control people that way. It's the same idea when they tell you God knows if you don't come on Sunday. It has nothing to do with God. The church just wants people there.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Study science ✅
read more scriptures ✅
open mind ✅

You need to have control over your thoughts, but Satan may try to tempt you, and in that case you need to ignore the thought. And I think what you think says a lot about you

if you meet someone and think "nice boobs" instead of "hey, a stranger, perhaps I should say hi?" thats a bad thinking pattern

and God loves you unconditionally and exists above our comprehension. He is omnipotent and omnipresent.

and the fence is actually a guard rail

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That's not how it works, though. Try being the one guy with a different ethnicity, massive, or extremely tall, try being a tall blonde and attractive woman. In all those cases you'll see how people turn their heads and/or stare at you. If you go shopping, some 4yo who doesn't have a filter yet might turn to their father and say "Why is the man that tall/fat?". It's built in to humans. They all do it. And it's going to happen to you almost on a daily basis.

Now, why is it wrong, though? Because of God? Because the Bible tells you you shouldn't stare at the dude from Ghana when you're in some rural white place? Because scripture knows "boys will be boys" and they always molest women, unless they go ahead and cover their skin and hair?

I don't think so. It's wrong because that does something to those people. They might be having a bad day because of it. And that's why we don't do it.

And I don't see how scripture addresses it in any sane way. The women thing is in it. But in a crude, sexist way. Then it doesn't tell a lot about racism. And fatshaming isn't mentioned explicitly. But there's some general advice which you can apply. And it's not even half bad. I'd just say you're a bad person if you just refrain from your primal instincts because if some fear of God, or because other people told you so... If you're clever, you can come to the right conclusion all on your own. And as a bonus you'll also do away with for example the sexism.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

seeing someone and going "wow, hes tall" isnt the same as looking at a woman and going "nice boobs" the first time you even see them. Where is the women thing? Verse?

And if the Bible doesnt cover something, ask the Church, the saints, or God himself.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Is it, though? In both cases people feel entitled to comment on other people's bodies in random situations. That's one and the same thing. Commenting on private parts -of course- is way worse. And there might be ulterior motives/sexuality at play. Which also makes it worse. But I think fundamentally, it's the same idea. Just different levels of bad.

Where is the women thing? Verse?

There's a lot about women in the Bible. If you want to read the bad parts which apply to us, read Paul. He wrote some insufferable letters. But all abrahamitic religions suffer from sexism. Just look at Islam and what they need to wear. Or how divorce works. But we're not the good guys either. We also know women are inferior. They shouldn't speak up in church or become priests. They shouldn't act up at home. And the bible doesn't condone wife beating either... On the contrary, if you read Paul, you might feel entitled to... I think it's Ephesians. But kinda all of what he wrote about women.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Big leap from "Christianity" to "Abrahamic Religion"

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I bet the entire perspective on women is still rooted in the Old Testament stuff. How the woman is made for him as a companion/mate. Her treachery. How women then need to suffer with childbirth. I bet to this day, this is what all of it is rooted in.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Bit of a stretch there don't ya think?

[–] msantossilva@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They obviously did not know it. Which is perhaps why that never actually made such a claim. The bible simply asserts that light and matter were create by God (and that light was created first). It never says that God used light to create matter.

In fact, you are the only making that claim. And you clearly made it after reading about the experiment. So, there, mystery solved, I guess.

Also, the word light is often used to symbolize 'truth', 'knowledge', 'guidance', ' enlightenment' ... "God is the source of all truth and only through Him may man find enlightenment". This is what John 1:4 is refering to. It has nothing to do with physical light.

[–] artifex@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

They didn’t. It just sounds poetic. That, or

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[–] RedSeries@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So, did you come into an atheist comm to cherry-pick verses that you think make Einstein's theory of special relativity apply to a 2000+ year old collection of fairy tales?

lol, lmao even

Great meme op, I even believed you meant it

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

fairy tales?

how?

[–] RedSeries@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, do you believe that the Bible is fact and not a re-translated translation of an ancient set of translated fairly tales that were translated from something else (I'm paraphrasing about 20 more translations there)?

I'm happy you have your faith but do us all a favor and leave reality, including Einstein and science, out of it.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 week ago

the original hebrew and greek manuscripts are available for you read