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[–] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago

This is for the ESU version, not the regular one. I think this should be mentionned in the title.

[–] Tenderizer@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago

I'll upgrade when Windows 12 comes out ... is what I would say but I've already switched to Linux.

[–] mecen@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is also aspect of hardware not having TPM 2. Which turns plenty of good hardware to junk if you stay with windows.

[–] lemongarlic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Iirc there are some versions of windows 11 without the TPM check

[–] TBi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

There is a way to force the install. I did it on two of my machines. I should have stayed on 10

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[–] Graphiar@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Still using Windows 10, but after testing out Linux on the side last year I’ve come to the conclusion it’s ready. Other than anti-cheat being in the shitter once Win 10 is officially dropped for good by games I’m moving over to Arch.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

and with steam one can play even non-steam games that are "windows only" by adding non-steam game. Proton works for those too.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

not for the ones with the stupider anti cheats

i gave up on R 6 long ago. but basically all other games are playable on linux. i become comfortable living by the moral code of 'if the game doesnt play on linux it doesnt exist'

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I've been playing The Sims 2 that way lol

[–] Comet79@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Some anti-cheat software can be run through Steam e.g. Easy anti-cheat.

[–] Graphiar@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

I’m aware. Just not the majority of them. Either way doesn’t personally matter to me as I mostly play single player games, to which Proton is incredible with that.

[–] greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Windows decided to delete all my documents and files 2 weeks ago. Even though I removed them from one drive, windows put them all back in. So when their one drive failed. I lost everything. Like every icon on my desktop too. Thank god i had just backed up a couple weeks before so I didn't lose much.

I was so pissed though that I immediately installed Linux Mint. Haven't looked back.

[–] Graphiar@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s all fun and games until you find that one specific thing you can’t live without that requires Windows lol. Hence why I typically have a low profile Windows 10 LTSC virtual machine set up on my Linux machines.

[–] cy888@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Same but Windows 7.

It seems fastest, most stable windows was 2000 but lacked good 64bit support. Much defaulted to 32bit :(

[–] quadrant5835@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Linux only needs to hit a "small but not insignificant size market" for the large publishers to start supporting it. They won't support it if they lose money doing so, but if it continues to grow eventually they will lose money by not supporting it.

Steam machine should provide another bump, just like steam deck.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And issue is it needs to be a specific platform.

From a game developer’s perspective (who isn’t a pro linux dev or anything), they can support a platform. They support Windows 10. Or Windows 11. They can support stock Ubuntu. They can support a SteamOS image.

They cannot specifically support your personalized Arch config.

Linux’s fragmentation has always been an issue in this regard, as they can’t legally support thousands of different possible system configurations.


HOWEVER,

I think supporting Proton + SteamOS would be very reasonable for a dev. That is a specific platform, its codebase and infrastructure can stay unified with the Windows version, and support for that would practically mean support in other Linux distros.

And SteamOS by itself is getting big.

[–] quadrant5835@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed. And truly developers don't need to actually "support" Linux; mostly they just need to not intentionally block games from working.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Well, it would be massively, massively better if they did some basic validation and tuning in a Proton environment.

Thousands of open-source-dev man-hours patching in hacky workarounds for Windows games not ideal; it'd be far easier for the game dev to fix things (or raise issues) from their end. And those Proton devs have better things they could be doing.

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[–] tonytins@pawb.social 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's like XP all over again.

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[–] wuffah@lemmy.world 170 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (42 children)

If you’re too lazy to switch to Linux like me, Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC is supported until 2032 and free to download and permanently license.

[–] toddestan@lemmy.world 160 points 3 days ago (30 children)

As someone who is lazy, I find running Linux to be less work than fighting with Windows.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

There's no struggle free OS, every OS has operations and processes that will need more detailed investigation, and hence read as "fighting with the operating system".

No design is intuitive to everyone, all the time, and in all situations. I'm sure Linux is fine, but let's be real, you know what I mean.

I'm glad that Linux is more intuitive to you than Windows. Good job finding it, and setting it all up 👍

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[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Might not be a bad idea to start learning on a separate device though, so you'll be ready when 2032 hits.

(That's my current setup)

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[–] Loce@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

Nah, I'm good. Switched to Linux, and there's no need for me to go back

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 29 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I think it's more that users can't afford new hardware, even though win11 seems like a step backwards.

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[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

I wonder how many "users rejecting Windows 11" are people who refuse to replace perfectly good hardware just because it doesn't meet Windows 11's arbitrary requirements.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago

Especially now in the NANDpocalypse, like no way I'm upgrading my hardware.

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[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Will upgrade from windows 10 to Linux.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Honestly, Microsoft may be full of arseholes, but moves like this at least one sane human works for the company.

It takes balls to admit you fucked up

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

That's one way of seeing it. Another is "if we kick them out of 10 and they are not willing to go to 11, they will switch to Linux or go Mac, we'd rather have them on 10 than not at all"

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago
[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Obligatory, here's your sign to switch to Linux. For people who do nearly everything or everything online it's a pretty easy switch.

[–] Icedrous@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have absolutely no experience in coding, programming, or anything to do with how Linux works and operates - I was easily able to install CachyOS onto my laptop removing windows completely. Reading comprehension is difficult if one isn’t used to reading wikis, however it’s pretty self explanatory; if a monkey like me can do it, anyone can.

[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Good shit. Hopefully you backed up anything important before the switch. Generally good to have backups anyway and use the 321 rule to never lose anything. That's three copies, two different media (hdd & DVD / cloud), and one copy off sight. Although that may be a little excessive for everyone but it will ensure you never lose anything important.

I usually suggest people shop around / distro hop a little. Get a USB, install ventoy, download a few iso's and try a few different distros on their live boot. There are a lot of different paradigms for a distro, different user interfaces, different kernel compilations, proprietary driver options, audio driver options, package management options and so on.

That said for someone new it is literally just easier to use a more widely used or common distro, usually there's better wikis and active forums and it's more likely someone has already had whatever issue you're having when trying to fix something. I usually suggest Fedora or Linux mint (lmde). Although with flatpaks and immutable OS's things are getting easier, more copy paste if you will.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Just reposting something. Most of it probably applies to Windows 10 too.

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PSA, for people sticking to Windows:

You can get a reasonable level of privacy by installing Windows Enterprise via RUFUS, which also has options for removing restrictions during installation. Massgravel is used to activate your copy of Windows, the Github also having .ISOs for you to use with RUFUS.

ShutUp10 is a piece of software that goes a step further, allowing you to toggle off many bad things, uninstall Microsoft's AI, and gives a description of what you are tweaking does. The premium version also automatically applies your settings at all times, reverting Microsoft's constant tweaking of your settings.

RUFUS

Massgravel

ShutUp10

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[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago

Gotta use a MS account on your computer though, so this is not a viable option for a lot of people

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

For those of you who need a longer offramp to Linux like me and maybe haven't seen this posted before:

https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol

You can activate any copy with support at least through 2028.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

By 2027 I have transitioned to fedora or another variant of Linux. I am on Linux mint now.

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[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

That's just bs, with win11 at over 70% vs 12% win10.

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