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The German Greens used to be against war, militarism, NATO, racism and other good stuff. Now they're the most pro-war, pro-NATO, and arguably the second most pro-genocide party. The former vice-chancellor Habeck told all Muslims to get in line and apologize for Hamas and swear allegiance to Israel. A very senior token Turkish-German member painted Muslim immigrant men as potentially wanting toremoved his daughter.

They instrumentalize the Holocaust both to support the genocide in Gaza and support Nazis in Ukraine. They started doing this with the Yugoslav wars in the late 90s.

They gutted worker's rights many times, they're arguably the most neoliberal of all the bourgeoise parties. They want to privatize the trains even further, split them up and introduce more market competition in public transport.

The people who used to support them either went along with this, becoming ideologically committed Western cultural supremacists and neoliberals, more so I'd say than conservatives and socdems even, who sometimes have their moments of realism; or they left or were bullied out. The Greens and their base are true believers, they think the German liberal ideology is the peak of civilization and should be exported by force.

Because the Greens used to sponsor the anti-war movement, social welfare protests, and other leftish causes, them switching sides caused these movements to split and collapse. Most of these causes are now dead; people who still cling to them smeared as traitors by the Greens especially. The Greens were not just useless, they did lots and lots of damage, to many many causes. No class consciousness or anti-imperialism that I can see emerged from the Greens betraying all their past ideas.

So no, fucking please do not help these people. Literally any revolutionary org would be better than them. In fact, sitting on your ass all day is better than that.

If you're confident enough in your own political analysis that you're sure you can get involved without becoming a lib yourself, and if you have a solid idea of how to avoid it sucking up all your organizing capacity, then I say go for it.

Also if I'm guessing right that you're talking about Green Party of England and Wales then it might be worth looking into who the specific people are locally, they (much more so than Scottish Green Party) seem to have a bunch of people who liked the ecofascist origins of the party and aren't so interested in the recent turn to the left.

It would be the lesser evil style electoralism to help them. Upside you might be able to convert some libs but otherwise to me it would feel like wasted effort but its up to you. I have spoken to a few green MPs and after maybe only 10 minutes of grilling discovered that at least the ones I talked to believe in absolutely nothing.

From what I have noticed politicians here follow the same rules as any corporate job. Its all backstabbing, ladder climbing careerist nonsense trying to say the most meaningless crap. Its all a pantomime of competence while saying nothing at all cos as far as I can tell most British people don’t believe in anything and are too racist, classist, ableist to ever give a shit about anyone else.

If there was any serious communist party here that wasn’t a bunch of circle jerking trots the police would be dismantling it instantly or maybe already have done so.

Personally im trying to focus on making a single brit in my life not a chud and its hard work lmao but I’ll keep going. I dont think this country will change without directly changing the minds of the people first. Maybe people within the green party supporter base is a good place to start?

Thank you @trompete@hexbear.net, @triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml, @Snort_Owl@hexbear.net for the replies. I'll think more about it before I decide what to do. I do think we're in a better situation here than, say, the USA where both parties are essentially the same genocidal freaks except one will put up a pride flag occasionally (but still allow your rights to be taken away). So I am still erring on the side of doing damage control with the Greens and trying to get them to do something locally which will actually help people (maybe working with food banks, tenant’s unions, etc). But I don't trust them and I'm doing much better things, too.