Comradeship // Freechat

So long as Spain is in the EU this whole thing is a moot point. Catalonia would not achieve independence, it would simply go from being a province of Spain to a satrapy of Brussels. Until and unless the Catalan independence movement is an explicitly anti-EU movement dedicated to taking the region out of the grip of the EU and NATO, nothing substantial would change.

So i don't care either way.

Now Scottish independence, that is something i do support. Breaking up the UK would be an unequivocally good thing regardless whether the movement doing it is left wing nationalist or right wing nationalist.

Spain right now is probably the most anti imperialist country in the EU right now (whatever that may mean) so breaking up Spain would harm that. I'm not sure how left wing the Catalan movement is these days. At least with Basque Country you can expect a mostly left wing independence movement.

In general I think it weakens a bourgeois state and that is good. A independent breakaway state has better prospects for socialist governance and a nation that has had a secession would suffer a legitimacy set back that could make a successful socialist revolution more possible.

If the Spanish don't want the balkanization of Spain, they should overthrow the bourgeois state.

It is pretty much guaranteed that the newly independent Catalonia would be incredibly nationalist, which would kill any socialist movements here, so I'm against it.

It's a right wing nationalist movement with the explicit intent of crashing Spain's economy, so... bad, I guess.

It’s like Albertan, Bavarian and Padanian separatism - a bourgeois movement born from a resent of having to “shoulder” poorer parts of the country.

I'm thinking like their independence depends on bourgeoisie movement than proletarian one. So, I'm against it.