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Waterfox?
Both?
Nothing much, what's up with you?
Brave users will probably prefer Waterfox, as it has a couple QoL features that are useful.
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Also, it's still Chromium, meaning it can be affected by Google's decisions.
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Why would I use something other than firefox?
Well, I would recommend waterfox over firefox because waterfox has just straight up removed any AI stuff rather than giving you the option to opt out of it.
Sounds like a lot more work than just opting out
~ish, waterfox is reconfigured firefox. They have a single button sync on first launch to clone your firefox data over, it took me like 60 seconds to swap everything over. And you get a lot more than just removing AI from firefox, it's essentially a preconfigured firefox. Removes a lot of telemetry and analytic stuff, strict-enforces better security protocols, prettier layout and stuff.
It doesn't really buy you any new functionality, but it's way quicker to just use waterfox than it is to spend hours configuring the weird shit like private DNS in firefox.
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I donβt usually take the software creatorβs ideology into account if it works well on my computer. However, I stopped using Brave when I found out that itβs a company funded by Peter Thiel, the founder of Palantir and one of the most toxic investors around today. The combination of Brendan Eich and Peter Thiel has now pushed me past the point where I can separate software from its creatorβs ideology.
I donβt think βtoxicβ covers the amount of evil Peter Thiel is
This is the guy that Epstein sent an email to saying:
"Finding things on their way to collapse, was much easier than finding the next bargain."
3 days before Brexit vote. Peter Thiel is named over 2,200 times in the Epstein files, confirming their extensive correspondence.
And Thiel did nothing but sabotage society for finding the next bargain. He's a caricature super villain from James Bond, that should be at the bottom of a volcano somewhere not funding web browsers.
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Shocking number of people under-informed about browsers here.
Brave just released a $60 paid (except on Linux Desktop) version without bloat. It worked barely OK in the first place, but didn't obfuscate all of your browser fingerprint. It spoofed fonts, that was its major innovation.
Only Tor truly anonymizes web traffic. This is not opinion, this is fact.
LibreWolf, Mullvad, and hardened FF help, but they all give their own fingerprints. As does Vivaldi and Floorp.
Personally, I cycle through all 7 of these. Only things tied to my name on stock FF. Everything else gets its own different browser private mode and VPN location.
Use whatever you want, but understand that unless you're on Tor or spreading your risk across multiple tools, it's trivial for Google to triangulate you across the web.
Thanks. Very good comment, I agree.. And yet...
Ironically, not being on what most people are using (stock Chrome without extensions) is already a fingerprint. And tor browser, even if it is providing anonymity, is also a huge fingerprint on itself, by blocking all the fingerprinting stuff...
The irony is lost the moment you come up with a proper threat model upon which you base the decisions of what security and privacy measures are going to be taken for a given online activity.
I really liked (and used it for quite a while) that extension, Ad Nauseam, that would actually follow behind scenes all ads and shit...
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Brave has ran a bunch of youtube ads. Like raid shadow legends style. That's how I know it's a shit browser
It's good that OG directly linked to the toot but I always hate when dates are cutoff. This toot is from 2024 when Google started introducing manifest v3 which prevented ublock origin from working, hence many people were looking for alternative browsers and Brave was one of the more popular ones. While I would not recommend Brave, I've heard the crypto rewarding program is opt-in and the affiliate link injection was removed soon after getting backlash.
Brendan Eich is still an ass though, and Brave has very bad business practices. Only recently Brave announced a 60$ (free on Linux though) minimalist variant that removes unwanted features like the crypto rewarding program, Brave VPN and AI chatbot which are built-in for the default browser variant.
The fact that they did it in the past is proof that they'll pull shit like that again.
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If you don't use Firefox (or webkit) you want Google to control the entire web. Simple as that.
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I'm a big fan of the duckduckgo browser. Love me the burn-all-the-cookies-and-history bonfire button that make it great as a default browser and I click random links more confidently now that it's my go-to.
If you are on Android, just know it has much weaker security because it is a webview browser with no per-site process isolation. WebView browsers are just reskinned weaker Chromium. Also, of your devices is no longer receiving updates, your webview (built in to the OS) may be very out of date, and Browsers are the most exploited platform.
If you are on iOS, it is just reskinned Safari (WebKit). If you are on desktop, it should be fine (just still chromium).
Haven't seen much talk about Zen on Lemmy, i think i'm gonna try that when i have more time since it seems like the most radically different browser ever
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I stopped using Brave for Peter Thiel reasons. Using Librespped, Mullvad browser, Zen browser and Helium. Helium isn't fully finished, but looking amazing. I like options
And now you can pay $60 to get less of their features!
Vivaldi is my favourite Chromium browser, if I have to/want to not use Firefox European based software is becoming as important as foss to me.
Librewolf and youβre done, just look at the settings a bit if you need a website to remember stuff. Thatβs it, your search is concluded.
~~The unfortunate truth is that on iOS it's the only acceptable browser option since it is by far the best at adblocking.~~
~~But you have to deactivate all the crypto stuff~~
~~Anyone with alternatives welcome (except Safari)~~
~~Edit: Went on a quick search to find another browser. It is just not possible on iOS. I don't want to download 2 apps and configure a dns just to not see ads ffs.~~
Edit 2: DDG Browser (iOS) has added the ability to block ads on YouTube (2 June 2026) and has a good ad blocker in general it seems. If anyone is reading this and is using iOS you should give ddg a try.
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Also Pale Moon is still borked from the Tobin saga.
Firefox will sign you up for 'Studies' that phone home and disclose your browsing data without consent, you need to check this periodically. Turning it off is not enough, you need to check it as it will periodically turn itself back on with updates.
Waterfox is clean after you turn off crash telemetry.
Source on firefox re-enabling telemetry on its own? Mine never did it
Thats quite a claim about firefox studies.
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