So that's why my backup script, which has worked perfectly for months, failed completely the last time I tried to run it. Guess I'll be downgrading to the last non-slop version.
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Suppose it's a good thing I switched to Borg-based backups.
But the answer to finding yourself being load-bearing is not to start using AI code with AI tests.
The Great Man theory of open source development, where it all hinges on one heroic individual, has always been a fatal weakness. It happens because the companies benefiting from the software just will not pay the individual guys who let their company work. So the companies try to make the guys feel obligated to do work for them for free.
Those guys have to start saying “no.” Go sailing. Declare the project closed and see if the beneficiaries will finally contribute. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. But no company will put in the developers or money for this stuff to be done until you say “no”.
You heard it from the Ray-Guns first, but apparently you need to hear it again: "Just say no!"
That quote is just total nonsense. There has absolutely never been a "great man theory" of open source. The concept of "forking" is a fundamental aspect of the entire philosophy.
The individuals who do stand out stand out precisely because of their humility and how little (nothing) they ask in return for their contributions.
The truly fundamental aspect of the entire philosophy, in practice, was telling people "Just fork it, then."
Reading his response, I think calling it "slop" isn't being totally fair, but it does sound like he should hand it off again or close the project. Not having test coverage for something is bad, but it happens. It sounds like the alternatives have this issue also. But the sailing comment is kind of tragic. Just go sailing, dude. Unless you have a phylactery under your desk the project will outlive you anyway, and honestly that's the best compliment a developer can get.
It literally is slop. It's always correct to call slop slop.
I rewrote the rsync test suite in python from the old shell script design. I did the design for that myself (and I’m really quite pleased with it), but used claude with cross-checks from codex and gemini to do the grunt work. I did not just vibe-code “convert test suite to python”.... I used AI tools to do the grunt work because they are good at that. I reviewed every part of it myself and ran through a huge amount of CI time getting it right
If what he claims is true then he's using LLMs for test coverage with significant editing by hand. I hate LLMs, but even I have to admit this seems like one of the few, valid use cases of LLM assisted coding. Unless "slop" has become one of those words that's just lost all meaning.
I commend to you jonny's thread on the tests:
https://neuromatch.social/@jonny/116666900898570791
It keeps turning out that when you look at the AI output, it's shit.
I don't know anything about rsync aside from as a user, but I am pretty experienced with Python and I admit those tests look really bizarre. If he did "slot machine" code it (a term I wasn't familiar with) then yeah, I agree that's slop. If he didn't, I don't understand why he made these changes. OK yeah, that's a bad sign.
every vibe coder insists they're shooting up krokodil responsibly
krokodil is such a good analogy goddamn