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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Hypersonic and hyper agile don't really go together. The laws of physics, particularly inertia and friction, will quickly put an end to that fantasy.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Besides it being a war crime, that must be committed before any war or there's no point (thus giving plenty of time for everybody to justifiably shoot you first):

  • orbits are extremely predictable and easy to spot, thus easy to attack;

  • getting things in orbit is very expensive, for what serves the same purpose of a submarine;

  • orbits are extremely spread, so you will need a ridiculous number of missiles with a ridiculously low availability.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

getting things in orbit is very expensive, for what serves the same purpose of a submarine

Orbital scanning tech is getting more advanced by the year. Submarines may lose their stealth advantage by the end of the decade

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We are comparing them to something that you can detect by looking up. They will never lose that advantage.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It doesn't fucking matter if the satellites are easier to detect. The job of a sub isn't to kill satellites. It's job is to stay hidden and be ready to nuke a country in a retaliatory strike as a deterrent.

Subs are slow, and very high value targets if you're looking at a potential nuclear exchange. If a sub is spotted, it's going to be added to the list of first strike targets so the attacker doesn't have to worry about retaliation.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So, putting the missiles in orbit instead of the submarine improves exactly what on that list of requirements?

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The missiles will be significantly harder to hit than the submarine in a few years.

Are there missile defense systems? Yes, but taking down short range missiles is significantly easier than ICBMs or hypersonic missiles. It's like hitting a bullet with another bullet if you don't catch it early in the launch.

And you're forgetting that MIRV's are a thing. Missile defense systems have limited capacity and are expensive to field. Meanwhile you can use MIRV's to multiply the effective number of missiles you're launching for not much extra cost.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The missiles will be significantly harder to hit than the submarine in a few years.

The missiles that pass over your head in a fixed time 16 times a day?

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Way to completely misread what I said.

The missiles won't be harder to hit in the future. Submarines are going to be that much easier to hit.

Are you done being a dick now?

[–] marcos@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Take a look at what invention you are talking about.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago

Jfc you're dense. Just shut the fuck up

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Back to back "international warfare laws are merely suggestions" posts today, I see.

Honestly, Russia got plastered all over the news for trying to put rockets in space multiple times in my life, if another nation tried it then they could expect the same or higher level of sanctions and loss of trust.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Back to back “international warfare laws are merely suggestions” posts today, I see.

what's laws

[–] teft@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago

Geneva Suggestions of 2026