Only an American would think that the 24-hour clock has anything to do with the military.
Showerthoughts
A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.
Here are some examples to inspire your own showerthoughts:
- Both “200” and “160” are 2 minutes in microwave math
- When you’re a kid, you don’t realize you’re also watching your mom and dad grow up.
- More dreams have been destroyed by alarm clocks than anything else
Rules
- All posts must be showerthoughts
- The entire showerthought must be in the title
- No politics
- If your topic is in a grey area, please phrase it to emphasize the fascinating aspects, not the dramatic aspects. You can do this by avoiding overly politicized terms such as "capitalism" and "communism". If you must make comparisons, you can say something is different without saying something is better/worse.
- A good place for politics is c/politicaldiscussion
- Posts must be original/unique
- Adhere to Lemmy's Code of Conduct and the TOS
If you made it this far, showerthoughts is accepting new mods. This community is generally tame so its not a lot of work, but having a few more mods would help reports get addressed a little sooner.
Whats it like to be a mod? Reports just show up as messages in your Lemmy inbox, and if a different mod has already addressed the report, the message goes away and you never worry about it.
I personally don't associate it with the military, but I'm the exception to that. Lots of people call it "military time" here.
Military grade is defined as the lowest quality required to be used by the military, often resulting in the cheapest product that is still suitable for military use.
Not quite. It's anything that meets the minimum for the military. This, for most normal items, means getting the job done and lasting long enough, with an emphasis on low cost and bulk production. The result is "military grade" usually being the absolute worst that still works.
As someone that outdoors a lot, this shit is great for many items. If I base camp, all my water containers are military, and I have 120mm ammo boxes for food and stuff because animals, water, and air can't get in. Heavy and inconvenient as hell, but cheap af and works well—that's military crap for you.
I always saw it as "a ton of money is thrown at R-D on this one specific thing to make it do that ken specific thing really well"
Almost, it's "a ton of money is charged for this minimally useful thing made by the lowest bidder"
It is, but a lot of people think it high-quality. I believe the saying goes "an engineer isn't someone who can make something work, it's someone that can make something barely work." Idk, I'm going into welding, not my expertise.
I call it “computer time” because I’m tired of people I’m talking with thinking its something to do with the military.
“UTC motherfucker! Do you speak it?!”
When I was a civilian, everyone called it military time, because only the US military used it.
When I joined the US military, they called it International Time, because the rest of the world used it and we were just meeting international standards so there's no confusion with our global allies.
no confusion with our global allies.
So trump made it possible for military to go to am/pm /s
I just call it 24-hour. I, too, hate the "military time" name, but it's common here in the states.
Its just called time.
How many hours does it take the earth to spin? 24? Nah lets split it up into 2 12s because our people can't count higher.. And then lets make it have confusing AM PM tags depending on if its one or the other
Like fuck off you gonna have the 60 mins of the hour also be split into 4 so you dont have to count that high??
24h clock Is the norm
The US military also uses loads of metric things. "Real Americans" won't touch those, either. Apart from 9mm guns and ammo.
750ml Bourbon
Except we refer to that as "a fifth".
~~A fifth of what? (genuine question)~~
Ah, ¹/₅ gallon ≈ 750 mL
24-hour-clock being a military thing is kind of a USA-thing anyway, in many other countries it's just normal.
I wish there was a more practical way to have an analog 24-hour-clock, a clockface with 24 numbers is kinda hard to read.
There is, you have two sets of numbera for each hour marking like this:

or like this:

This requires no change to the time mechanism, so you can pretty easily modify the face of any standard analog clock to be like this.
That first one having "24" is making my eye twitch.
Having a 0'o'clock is something that delights me to no end. I'm from the US but moved a bit ago and I get unreasonably excited to see my clocks showing all 0s
How is this actually an improvement over the standard design? I already know that the clockhand pointing to 1 means that it's either 1 am or 13 o'clock/1 pm, but it still doesn't tell me unambiguously which one it is.
In Brazil, the 24hr clock is standard for most people.
I've used it since I was 12 🤷
You mean since you were 0?

Didn't get it at first, but scared my cat when I did XD
12-hour would only be somewhat decent if there wasn't noon/midnight confusion.
If you see a clock say 12:00 and it's not sunny outside and you're not above a certain latitude: it's midnight
What if someone tells you something is gonna happen at 12?
For example: you can turn in your assignments until 12 tomorrow.
That confusion could lead to you failing your assignment if they meant noon and you thought midnight.
Time is not only for the present, it's for the past and future too. You can't look at the sky in the past/future.
I've never understood the 12 hour clock. Like, you just decide to reset the time at lunchtime or something? Why not have an 8 hour clock and reset the time after breakfast and just before teatime, it makes just as much sense
In ancient times, people did not have the concept of a "civil day"; they viewed day and night as separate things which alternated.
The Assyrians divided the day into six equal parts, and the night into six equal parts, called ush. But because sunrise and sunset move around over the course of the year, the lengths of day and night vary, and thus one ush during the day would not be the same length as an ush at night except around the equinoxes.
The Babylonians divided ushes in two to make hours, because it was easier to do astronomy in 12s than 6es. This resulted in 12 hours in a day and 12 hours at night, but daytime hours were still different lengths to nighttime hours, and the lengths of hours still varied over the course of the year.
The Greeks partially adopted the Babylonian system; they divided the day into 12 hours but the night was divided into four watches. The Romans copied the Greek system, but later went full Babylonian with 12 hours at night as well. (I feel like this coïncided with the rise of Christianity, but I have no evidence). The Romans introduced the concept of the civil day beginning at midnight (which the Chinese independently came up with), and over time, this led to the idea of 12 hours from midnight to noon, and 12 hours from noon to midnight. That idea postdates Rome, however; Roman hours were reckoned from sunrise to sunset and sunset to sunrise.
Assyrian astronomical knowledge seems to have reached China via India, as traditional Chinese timekeeping divides the civil day into 12 shi. Ancient shi were like Assyrian ushes; they were either 1/6 of a day or 1/6 of a night. Originally, midnight and noon fell in the middle of a shi, but this was changed to shi starting at midnight to make administration and astronomy easier. This system of variable-length shi continued to be used in Japan until about the Meiji Restoration.
Fixed-length hours are the result of analogue clocks, which are impractical to design to change the lengths of hours with the seasons (but not impossible; the wskusei clock is an ingenious Japanese clock from the 17th century that does exactly that). China had reliable, accurate water clocks by the Tang dynasty, while Europeans developed circular mechsnical clocks in the late Middle Ages. In neither case was it practical to make something as clever as the wakusei clock, so analogue clocks were marked the mean length of a shi or an hour as a reasonable approximation. Since there are 12 hours from midnight to noon and 12 from noon to midnight, that led to the 12-hour time system we know today.
You've never seen an analog clock?
That's where it comes from, and that's where it makes perfect sense. (An 8 hour reset wouldn't) No need to carry that over to digital clocks however.
You have it backwards. Analogue clocks are the way they are because of the 12-hour convention.
Why wouldn't an 8-hour reset make sense? Just have 8 numbers instead of 12 and spin the hour hand a little faster.
A 12-hour analogue clock barely makes sense anyway. Mine's 24.
Something that's been growing on me, but that I'm still unsure of, is 24-hour time that goes beyond 24 to reference the next day. I was in Japan recently, and there were many restaurants that would write their opening hours as, for example, 18:00 - 25:30, to represent that they are open until 01:30 the next day. Was confusing at first, but makes maths easier and means that intervals of time never count backwards! From memory, OpenStreetMap use this system, too.
Japanese people that understand 24h notation‽ In my experience with language exchange I've always had the issue that language exchange partners didn't understand 24h notation at all!
I also can't remember seeing this notation on opening times in my visits there, but maybe I haven't been paying close attention…
This comment is actually really interesting to me, because I was quite excited about all the 24hr time I saw over there, and remember 12hr being used pretty much only in text clearly intended for (english-speaking) foreigners. Not that I doubt your own experience at all, of course, but it did make me wonder where the difference comes from, and also if I'm just going crazy bc you seem to have more experience than I do. Couldn't find anything on regional differences from a cursory search, but FWIW, Wikipedia says that both are used pretty interchangeably, but does have a section on the specific phenomenon I'm talking about
Times past midnight can also be counted past the 24 hour mark, usually when the associated activity spans across midnight. For example, bars or clubs may advertise as being open until "30時" (i.e. 6 am) (See ja:30時間制)
Via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation_in_Japan
I believe its roots have more to do with the railways than with the military. I have never called it military time to be honest.
While trains were the big "clock unifiers" back then, here in Europe, the 24h clock is generally the local version of "time", without the "military" part.
TBF most of us have decent trains.
I'm American, but a software engineer, 24 hour clock for me! Totally understand I'm an outlier.
Don't forget the klick. Most of them are not buying that either.
The people in all the countries that have no problem counting off another dozen past twelve don't always do that though. If you meet your friend at 15:00 most people will revert to "at 3" in their language. And they might "go to bed at 11." Economy of language and context clues. So colloquially the am/pm crowd and the 24h folks aren't far apart at all.
And any person claiming that it's too difficult to add or subtract twelve from at maximum a low two-digit integer ought to have their passport revoked.
American consumers will buy anything. Why hasn't anyone developed a military clock for proud American households?
Am American, use 24 hour time. It's only called military time here.