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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

These things really can destroy cases as a lot of stuff suddenly becomes inadmissible in court because it wasn't presented through proper channels and jurists may be requested to ignore it entirely. At least this is how it can work in the USA in a lot of cases.

Further, depending on the circumstances of how the initial connection to the pedophile in question was made, it can be potentially considered a type of entrapment, as it may be able to be argued that if this person did not present themselves as a willing child to begin with that the perpetrator may have never attempted to pursue such a crime.

The fact that they're backed by right wing politicians kind of says everything: They're way more concerned with looking like they're doing something about the social issue of pedophiles while actually not doing very much at all. There's also a suspiciously high number of people in these "catch a pedophile" groups who end up being convicted of some sort of pedophilia themselves, as though they're projecting their own disgust with themselves and/or they think people won't suspect them of it as long as they're busy busting others for it. The conservative right wing only cares about appearances, not real solutions, while allowing the Epstein class to continue trafficking, raping, and killing children.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 12 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

This. Even in a scenario where a bunch of really trustworthy well meaning people were involved in this and doing proper due diligence, it's just not how anything fucking works.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Further, a society that ends up relying on the work of vigilantes usually only happens in societies where the justice system is failing to do it's job and people feel the need to become vigilantes to exact justice. Yet obviously what these groups do is not justice, although it may seem cathartic and akin to justice to people who think that hurting people who hurt others back is the only solution to anything at all.

It speaks ill about where our society stands and it fits in with the wider theme of conservatism wanting to dismantle modern society and make it fail to function so people stop relying on it. To them, the failure of the justice system and people turning to mob violence is part of the goal to keep citizens fighting among themselves instead of their masters.

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

The conservative right wing only cares about appearances, not real solutions, while allowing the Epstein class to continue trafficking, raping, and killing children.

Looks like you forgot to put that in bold, i'll fix it for you:

The conservative right wing only cares about appearances, not real solutions, while allowing the Epstein class to continue trafficking, raping, and killing children.

[–] Prathas@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I had no idea that this was a right-wing movement so I'm not defending them at all, but... even if the "bait" didn't go through "proper" channels, isn't the publicity crippling them socially good enough?

it may be able to be argued that if this person did not present themselves as a willing child to begin with that the perpetrator may have never attempted to pursue such a crime.

But... they could've still chosen to say "no"...

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Definitely, but sadly it's his lawyers job to argue things like this to protect their client. It also means a jury has to buy it, which they probably won't if this is actually allowed to be used as evidence.

I would hope publicly crippling them would be enough, but I'd rather they get actual justice.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago

Was it the Macron's wife?