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[–] spaceracoon@lemmy.zip 79 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Man it's so funny how the only company that even thinks about allowing you to not have AI, gets so much shit from people.

OK you don't like AI, you can turn in off. They added an option for that. Meanwhile Chrome is automatically downloading 4gb worth of models without your consent. Same with basically each other browser.

Folks are free to use whichever distro they like, Librefox, Waterfox, but remember that without Mozilla foundation the very engine would stop working. Then these forks will not work anymore. Then where will you go? Chromium? Safari?

It's important to keep companies accountable, but nothing is ever black and white.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 25 points 1 month ago

People seem to care more about synthetic benchmarks than using a browser that gives them much less tracking and ads. Remember when chrome was popular because its so fast? I never noticed a difference between that and Firefox in ordinary web pages, except Googles, since they are intentionally making it slow for Firefox.

And with all that going on, people still picked chrome. :)

[–] czardestructo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah I get the feeling like 70+% of people here will never understand that.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

OK you don’t like AI, you can turn in off. They added an option for that. Meanwhile Chrome is automatically downloading 4gb worth of models without your consent. Same with basically each other browser.

Because Chrome is used by normies who have no idea and wont care while Firefox is used by tech-literate users who care and like to tinker. The backlash was because FF implemented AI that you had to go to about:settings to disable. Result of backlash - a switch in settings to disable it.

It would be smart to implement AI and advertise people that they can switch it ON if they want to. Not the other way.

Folks are free to use whichever distro they like, Librefox, Waterfox, but remember that without Mozilla foundation the very engine would stop working. Then these forks will not work anymore

There is nothing to go to. But if we accept the outcome, we just submit to the system. Might as well switch to chrome at that point hoping that Servo gets developed fast enough. Firefox would lose their browser share at an instant once they are not different from chromium based browsers. Basically seppuku themselves.

Not understanding your user base is how you get a backlash.

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[–] KatherinaReichelt@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago

Yeah - people love to shit on Mozilla while posting from fucking Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge.

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[–] skami@lemmy.ml 62 points 1 month ago (12 children)

Nice but it's kinda wierd how people decided to use these browsers after this new law was passed, I mean it's so easy to install apps on smartphones right now but people needed this choice screen to choose another browser of their liking? I would guess it's probably old people that switched that didn't know how to install browser without it, I googled but couldn't find any prove of this tho so it's just my guts

[–] axh@lemmy.world 103 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's laziness. Most people just take the path of the least resistance.

Once you show them the screen, any choice is the same amount of work so they will select what they really want. But without the screen, 90% of people will be good enough with the default option. Or, they might even be mildly uncomfortable with that option, but not enough to do something about it.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s laziness. Most people just take the path of the least resistance.

we all do in many parts of life

[–] axh@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I didn't say it's a bad thing. If someone tried to pay attention to every little choice they make, they would be exhausted before the morning coffee.

What kind of browser I use is important to me, since I am a geek. But I don't pay attention to many things that more socially adept people would consider important.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 month ago

If someone tried to pay attention to every little choice they make, they would be exhausted before the morning coffee.

Story of my life.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

the trick is to know what is worth paying attention to and what is not

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

some things are worth your time and some things are not, you yourself decide what is what. You just have to know what is important to you and consider things that affect that. And to also know what things are not worth giving a fuck. The capitalist society also trys to make you care about worthless things so those too will fill up your attention.

So in essence, if something isnt important to you and not caring about it doesnt make your life more difficult, let that thing go.

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[–] skami@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah I guess people doesn't really care all that much about giving information to big tech, it's so normalized today, in my university (I am a student) when I tell people I don't use Instagram or TikTok and whatnot they look at me like I am crazy, tbh maybe if we define crazy as "not doing what everyone around you does" maybe I am

[–] axh@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

people doesn't really care all that much about giving information to big tech

I was one of those people some time ago. I remember doing it deliberately and saying "what will they do to me? Offer me a product that better suits my needs?"

I never had any issues because of that...

right now I decline each time, the more work it costs me, the more motivated I am to decline every single marketing consent.

I do it out of spite, because of all the enshitification happening to services I used to like, and I just try to make their life harder.

I really hope that Google will, some day, miss one cent needed for some huge multi billion deal thanks to my resistance! ;)

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

people doesn't really care all that much about giving information to big tech

To be fair, we haven’t had all the consequences of it hit the population yet.

Surveillance pricing might change the narrative

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

If people are going to talk about the details of their divorce in a tiktok video I doubt they care much that someone is tracking what products they looked at on amazon.

[–] morto@piefed.social 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

We tend to overestimate people's skill in tech. The average user uses what came installed, doesn't like installing and experimenting apps, uses a browser while logged in to google, taps yes on everything, will install apps when sites ask for it, without even noticing, and will register in every site or app that asks for it, and even give their real email, name, etc

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[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

i've legit seen many people who have no idea what a web browser is, internet == chrome/safari/edge (which opens automatically when clicking a link on some app) for them. this isn't just older people, actually it's usually worse with younger people.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

it’s so easy to install apps on smartphones right now

Providing choice as a default is precisely about people who are influenced by defaults. It's NOT about how feasible something technically is.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It isn't that weird. Users have a very low tolerance for independence, especially as tech markets itself to less and less tech savvy userbases(like Gen alpha and z). They do what their screens tell them to for the most part.

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[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

Meet my wife! Since this screen, she uses the duckduckgo browser (iOS) Idk why, she neither, but she is happy with it.

[–] carrylex@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

It's like browser war 1.0 all over again but only on mobile...

(Microsoft had to do the exact same thing after they preinstalled Internet Explorer with Windows)

[–] oats@piefed.zip 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If i want the internet, I tap on the little internet app. Wth is a browser?

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

If something is good enough to do what you want you have no real motivation to change. People posting here are far more concerned about privacy than most people based on how much people seem to voluntarily share online anyway.

[–] TheWorstNL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Chrome disabling ad-blocking doesn't hurt either.

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[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Now if only Apple will let Firefox run its own rendering engine instead of Safari’s.

Like, that’s the only thing I don’t get. Other apps which are not web browsers, fine. Use Safari. But an actual web browser? FFS, let them use their own engine.

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[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Now if Mozilla would finally get a CEO who is not driven by stupid capitalistic bullshit, I would actually start using Firefox again.

Until then, I stick to WaterFox.

[–] foxfell@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago (11 children)
[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

For the same reason I don’t like Chromium or Alpine Linux. Minimalism can be nice, however in most cases too many features were stripped away to be useful tools. At least for me, so no offense to people who love the minimalistic approach :)

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[–] UltraBlack@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Isn't waterdox owned by a weird company?

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not anymore. It’s owned by the creator again.

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