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Hey, folks,

My laptop broke the other day, and I need a replacement asap. But here's the rub: I despise windows. I've been a full time fedora user on my main device for a decade now, and I run Ubuntu on my desktop that I rarely touch because it's ooooold. I am not a techy person. At all. I'm an idiot, actually. I use Linux because it's cheaper, it keeps my aging hardware alive longer, and because politically I align pretty well with the idea of FOSS. And because I absolutely hate windows. I don't even like KDE, because it reminds me of windows. Cinnamon? Too much like windows! Lol. I love my workflow in gnome, I love that it's shiny and pretty and looks nice. And for the most part, I'm a browser based user. I rarely have cause to do much outside of the browser, except for sail the seas for some audiobooks. Even my papers for school are written in Google docs.

But also, on my desktop or a secondary device, I don't mind having to fiddle with things and get them working, I enjoy it. It makes me feel like I have actual tech skills when I absolutely do not. But on the device I use for school I just want something that works and I never have to think about. I feel like a traitor to the cause even considering it, but I think I want to get a used m1 air. I've never used a Mac before, though. I used an iPhone once, for about 10-15 minutes, and I hated it. But, like, of course I did. It was completely different, and incapable of doing the thing I wanted it to do.

How painful is the Linux to Mac transition? If I'm using an android phone, an Ubuntu desktop, and a MacBook, how awful is everything going to be to switch between devices? Am I going to regret this purchase, or, worse yet, become an apple fan boy and abandon my glorious FOSS devices forever?

Please assist

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[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I’m a huge fan of both Apple and Linux but what finally helped me to understand the difference was using something closer to UNIX, in my case FreeBSD.

Why? Because I’d always heard that modern macOS is based on UNIX (even partially on old FreeBSD) but the difference between UNIX and Linux never “clicked” until I explored UNIX on its own.

Modern macOS sets its default shell these days to zsh but I believe still ships an old bash. Actually, a lot of the userland utilities are going to be old and out of date. You’ll notice quirks with them (compared to Linux) that often comes from its background in UNIX.

Personally I use a TON of packages from Linux that have been ported to macOS via Homebrew as do many developers (like me) and users.

All this is to say that under the shiny proprietary Apple GUI there is some familiarity with Linux but at the cost of more UNIX-like behavior (albeit unique even among UNIXes).

[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

MacOS ships many outdated GNU utils intentionally for no actual reason other apple sucks

MacOS may have a POSIX certification but hasn't caught up and never will to new revisions of POSIX that FreeBSD and Liux distros comply with it

Many of GNUism of Linux have inspired changes in POSIX and BSDs, changes that MacOS ignores

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for replying! Sadly, I did not stress the part about me being an idiot enough. I understood some of those words! Mainly in the last paragraph. Haha

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I was an MS-DOS -> Unix -> Linux -> windows -> Linux -> windows -> macOS user (who still uses Linux, but only on my Steam deck).

I love macOS and am sad it took me this many years to convert (I got my MacBook Air in 2018) and I always hated when I had to go back to my windows laptop. I was glad when the windows install died and I installed Linux on it for my wife to game.

When I first switched to macOS I still had an android. I would connect it to the air via Bluetooth to send files between the two. Now I would probably use proton drive, or my uGreen NAS.

As had been mentioned control vs cmd takes getting used to. For me it has been harder going back to ctrl on Linux than it was getting into cmd on Mac. My keychron keyboard has physical Mac keys and all of the keys can be remapped, so it is set up to feel close to my MacBook's key placement.

I love my MacBook Pro, but miss my MacBook Air. I think the pro is ~4 times as heavy.

[–] sunrisepirate@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago

I was a long time Linux user that switched to Mac, and it was pretty simple. Using homebrew as a package manager makes things remarkably similar to Linux. Like the other commenter said, the biggest hurdle was getting used to cmd+{key} instead of ctrl+{key}.

I've got an M1 with 24gb of ram and it works great.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

I mean if you like using Linux buy something like a Thinkpad and put your favorite flavor of Linux on it.

But if you do want to try Mac, there’s a lot more similarity between Mac and Linux than either and Windows.

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The biggest pain point with my Mac is the cmd+c/v/x short cuts. Its a difference in muscle memory which is a little annoying initially, but does become second nature.

I don't quite get the expense argument for windows, realistically its rolled into the price of the device regardless of what you running anyway. And macs are usually a lot more expensive.

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have a Keychron keyboard, it ships with Mac and windows keys. I have it set up for my Steam deck, I replaced the physical control key with the cmd key, I also changed the remapping so be closer to my MacBook pro's keyboard.

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does it do something to make ctrl-r and cmd-c use the same physical modifier key? Because that would be ideal. Although tbh, I quite like that cmd-c and ctrl-c don't conflict, I almost think that maybe apple got it right and and everyone else messed up.

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago

Apple is the one who created cmd-z/x/c/v.

IIRC CTRL-R = force reload a webpage which is cmd+option-r on Mac.

Keychron does allow for a single key stroke to = multiple keys, but I have not looked into doing a key combo = a different key combo. I imagine it is something you could do, as they ship it with their own function key to control the keyboard outside of the os for things like backlighting.

[–] calliope@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago

I have been using Linux on desktop and Mac on laptops for over twenty years now! I initially bought a refurbished white iBook G4 in 2005 while I was using Gentoo on my desktop.

I spend the vast majority of my time in a terminal and a browser.

As others have said, the difference in Command and Control buttons will take a little getting used to and will be especially frustrating if you have an external keyboard that you use for both desktop and laptop. But it’s not really that bad.

As a heavy terminal user, I like having the different buttons for different things! You keep your dirty GUI functions to your own Command button and let me keep Control doing what it does. As an example, you can use common terminal keyboard shortcuts (readline shortcuts; Ctrl-a to go to the beginning of a line, for example) in many places on OS X because of the difference between Ctrl and Cmd.

I have found MacOS to work quite well as a laptop operating system, personally!

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

just fyi. osx was influenced gui wise by nextstep so gnustep is an implementation. Also its based on freebsd so the command line is very much like freebsd just with kinda more (full disclosure I last used osx terminal a lot in the early 20teens so it may have diverged further). I have not advice just thought I would thrown out where osx came from.

[–] fraksken@infosec.pub -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If you're going to get an m1 air and expect to run mac os with latest updates, you are going to have a bad time. I suspect it will be very slow.

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I have an m1 air (16GB), on the latest macos, and its fine. What are you doing that is slow?

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Lol I have the 8 GB 2020 MacBook Air M1 and the thing still screams. What is it with Lemmy and the 8 GB debate? What are y’all doing??

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago

I get it from a future proofing point of view, for a premium machine 8GB is silly.

But it does perform really well, and getting 6+ years of solid performance from a laptop with no active cooling is so nice.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is it actually decent? I had just put the idea out of my head to even consider the 8gb model because I assumed in 2026 with everything getting AI shoved into it that it wouldn't function well. Even my college is using AI in our modules now, with built in 'assistants' in our digital textbooks. I don't think I could have gotten by with 8gb of rams on my laptop that just broke. It had 16 and got laggy often if I had more than 4 or 5 school tabs open.

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Was it lagging due to ram or cpu? Is there a publically available digital textbook? I can test on my 16GB m1 for you if you can find one.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago

Honestly, I have no idea if its ram or CPU. Again, note the bit where I said I'm an idiot. Take it to heart. I speak plain and I speak true. Total moron over here. Hahaha.

I also have no idea if there are public textbooks available? We tend to use mindedge and a few others, but off the top of my head I don't remember which one had the AI companion in it

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago

They only suspect that it will be slow.

[–] misk@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

It’s not slow on Tahoe but that OS just leaks memory left and right and no amount of RAM can compensate for it. Best stay on Sequoia for now and wait for Apple to fix their own mess. I’m using M1 Air as my desktop and feel zero need to upgrade.