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The war on Iran will likely end in American retreat (www.aljazeera.com)
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[–] GreatSquare@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Except American leadership never admits defeat. It takes the NEXT leader who replaces the original to actually reverse the stupid decisions made. In recent conflicts it has taken a number of iterations of leadership change before America has begrudgingly retreated and pulled their forces out, regardless of the costs. (See Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc etc)

The idea that Trump, of all people, will weigh the costs and rationally decide to make logical choices now is super optimistic to put it lightly.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 5 days ago

At this point, the whole world can see what happened though. There's not enough lipstick for this pig.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Trump is just a cog in the machine. The war is costing too much, just the damaged datacenters could be enough to Bezos (one of the true rulers of the US) tug his wires.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

And let's not forget the FED cannot print dollars like crazy anymore, value is migrating to the yuan. So, the money left in the safe is being eyed out by our Tech Monarchs to feed their AI bubble.

[–] GreatSquare@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think the Fed will print more dollars like crazy because they don't want to stop the economy train. The AI bubble will be bailed out like the banks were bailed out in 2008.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

However if fewer people were getting those fresh dollars then the inflation would be felt more by the domestic market than it was in the past. Can the US still export inflation?

[–] GreatSquare@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We will see the same shit as 2008: Those rich people getting the fresh dollars leads to asset prices going even higher. I think it's already happening a bit now. And the US rich don't invest in companies that employ a lot of people any more.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

Yeah that's a possible outcome

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

but will the US admit retreat?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No, remember how they fleed Afghanistan in panic, with cameras on them? Nobody talks about it now, entire 20 year of war is glazed over as some oopsie barely worthy any mention.

[–] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 days ago

Trump doesn't make decisions, he's just the fall guy for the bad ones.

[–] PanArab@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 4 days ago

Inshallah

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have no idea what victory for the US even looks like in any of the conflicts they've been in since WW2. I assume some individuals won, politicians getting elected, federal contractors, etc. But as a country, what does victory even look like?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A lot of the time, the goal for the US is simply to destabilize the region. Afghanistan is a great example because of where it's situated. As long as it remained unstable, it precluded BRI expansion to West Asia and it was a source of terrorism in Xinjiang which fueled the whole Uyghur genocide narrative. So, the US doesn't need to actually accomplish a regime change, they just need to keep the region at war indefinitely.

[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, Victory for the ruling class =/= Victory how it's propagandized to the American people.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago

exactly