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[–] cornshark@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And what is that biggest reason? Why the clickbait op?

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

tldr, capitilist oligarchs (helped along by dumbshit neolibs) have turned everything into speculation and rent-seeking. people can't afford to have kids

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Anna Louie Sussman seems to like clickbait, and I don't editorialize. According to her, the biggest reason is uncertainty. Here, the reason would be rather certainty of collapse we're experiencing.

[–] Psychedelic_Rebel@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

Yes, it seems obvious that the populace - apart from the Musks and Trumps of the world - see little possibility for a better life for their hypothetical children than they had, having experienced the ongoing crises of the 21st century, and therefore make the choice to not bring them into the world.

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It's unethical to create more people to experience suffering in this world.

[–] Skeletal4420@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

To that end, capitalism has stolen our lives and I feel like I'll be damned if I give them another generation of slaves. I'm not doing that. Ever.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

And the age old issue. The non critical thinkers never give this a millisecond of thought. They have kid because "its what you do" and are usually not great parents, so then you get even more idiots.

Really the way to fight it would be for smart people to have more kids and sacrifice their lives being really good parents to counter act the dummies. I'm not volunteering for this and I doubt many others would.

I have zero want for kids but when people ask me when I'll have some I say, when trump is dead, republicans are exiled, we have healthcare for all in the US, and billionaires dont exist. Shuts em up fast.

[–] Skeletal4420@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

This idea is the logical ancestor of eugenics, which I am sure was not your intention. Parental Intelligence does not determine or indicate their progeny's intelligence. You can't really determine beforehand what exactly you are going to get, just that certain things that are dominant ilils are more likely. As far as intelligence goes that seems to be dependent on a lot of genes, not just one intelligence gene, so it starts to actually become more important how you raise your kid to actualize their potential actross whatever spectrum of their expression of their genes. A lot of people fall into this trap of thinking oh we are intelligent(which almost everybody assumes they have a lot more in the bank than they do in that regard), so we will have a smart baby. It's just not accurate. If you and your partner are in fact geniuses it actually starts to become less likely your kid will be as well when you look at the actual dispersal of geniuses. Its largely random and not common, so just statistically, you aren't likely to have that many really smart people closely related. In which case, and I say this tongue in cheek, but, good luck getting your stupid baby to reject capitalism. My brother-in-law who is a tech bro that thinks he embodies good genetics, thought he could potty train his kid in under a year and it's looking like they unfortunately for them, just got an average guy. I can't imagine how soul cruahing that must be for them. But the average is the average over such a huge sample set, usually because it is just a very common range. So if you do end up having kids, it would be a lot more productive to think, what am I going to do with my average baby. If you get a genius it'll be despite you, if you get a dummy, well, hopefully you can still love them anyway. Probably just better to spare you and your baby the disappointment that is being forced to share space with people you don't like due to losing the birth lottery.

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I'll pile onto that and add we completely solved the climate crisis and militaries, nations, police, wars, violence, prejudices, and bigotry just straight up don't exist anymore. Then, and only then, would I consider having kids.

To all my children bearing comrades, good fucking luck. To all those on the fence, think longer and harder.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

Yep agree.

And then people are like " well children were born during wars!!" Yeah... Thats awful and not something we should want to do.

[–] shani66@ani.social 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'd imagine forcing communal or even state lead childcare would be the better option.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

That will never, ever work in America. Red scare and all.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Anything reducing our overshoot of the ecosystem carrying capacity is a good thing. It is thus important to know these factors which reduce human fertility.

[–] Janx@piefed.social 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Dr. Kristensen talks with his mother about these generational patterns. “The biggest difference, watching her narrative and my narrative, my feeling is that these things should be in order first”

I think this is huge. Personally, I'm not financially stable. I rent. I love my job, but my company is enshittifying, so I'm overworked and underpaid more and more. A $2,000 "home child care equalization credit" isn't going to incentivize me to have a kid. Even the South Korean company-equivalent $153,000 probably wouldn't. It's a nice chunk of change, but it's also a one-time token bonus to accept the responsibility of raising a child in a world where everything is constantly getting worse and more expensive. And I still can't get past that impulse to do things in the "correct" order: I need to own a home outright or with an affordable mortgage. My financial and professional futures need to not just be stable, but promising, and the world I bring a child into needs to not feel like it's crumbling...

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago

I mean it all starts with if you have kids are they likely to do as well or better than you. I think for any rational individuals if the answer is no then its not going to be something they are looking to do. If the answer is yes then its becomes am I stable enough and does the future looks stable enough for me to not only feed and house myself and my spouse but also these possible kids. Once again a no means the path is not taken. If both answers are yes then maybe some will do it but there are still some hold outs who are like. Will I be able to buy school supplies, birthday and holiday festivities and presents, just a bit of quality of life. They need another yes to go. With the no's the only people who have kids are either those dumb enough not to ask the questions or to not use birth control properly or brainwashed by religion or such. Most of the time all three of those are concurrent.

[–] Anarchitect@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago

who would have thought building a dystopia is bad for people with thoughts in their brain thinking having children is good idea