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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Raphael@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I left Ubuntu when they sent all my dock search history to Amazon. But this time is different, should I leave Fedora considering how much it is developed by Red Hat?

I've actively defended this distribution and Red Hat for many years now and I'm deep in their technology but I want to avoid being a Devil's Advocate.

EDIT: I decided to give it some more time, I'll stay on Kinoite for now, if Red Hat's IBMfication reaches Fedora, I'll switch to Debian assuming we don't have a high quality immutable replacement by then. I've been on /r/opensuse and read rbrownsuse's posts enough times to know MicroOS KDE is NOT a good suggestion, their rebranding doesn't clean up their history.

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[-] Whooping_Seal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am sticking around for the time being. While it is a community project, Red Hat is still the legal entity representing it and is a sponsor of the Fedora Project. I am confident that Fedora will continue to exist (or if RedHat ruins it, the community would fork it), consequently I feel that this is more a question of morals / ethics or desire to distance oneself from Red Hat products. With switching you would likely be giving up either KDE or immutability, until OpenSUSE's Kalpa matures more. Regardless, I'm not sure how much benefit Red Hat gets from you being a Fedora user. Unless you contribute to the project itself or are using Fedora as a means to gain more knowledge for using RHEL products in enterprise.

Some relevant articles for people interested; Fedora Project Wikipedia governance section, Fedora Project Wiki regarding the proposed "Foundation" and the mailing list discussing the "Foundation".

[-] ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

I'm writing this from Kalpa. What is immature about it?

[-] Whooping_Seal@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have not personally tried it, but here they describe it as being alpha software.

Of course, that alpha designation could be unwarranted, I do not know.

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[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

You don't need to leave Fedora.

RH will just cut them out soon enough, if you believe the trends.

Best have a plan to move on FROM them, though. Look into parallel porting to PCLinuxOS for now, as it's a VERY similar maintenance routine, and it has a very wide app support window. Their unattended install (ie packer for vagrant or ovirt) is absolute ass, but that's their achilles heel. Ultimately, that may not be a problem for you.

I'd direct you to the PCL/OS lemmy sub, but I think there is none yet.

[-] user8e8f87c@berlin.social 0 points 1 year ago

@corsicanguppy @Raphael Fedora is the beta testing platform for RHEL. Redhat will not cut them out.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

They just announced CentOS is the beta platform.

[-] Furycd001@fosstodon.org 1 points 1 year ago

@Raphael I personally recommend Debian. Never had any shit from Debian, and with the recent release of Debian 12, it's now better than ever. Now's actually the perfect time to switch to Debian....

[-] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Depends on how your your perspective on this is: I don't think this will affect the distro at all, development and maintenance will probably continue as is and you as the user will not feel any difference...

But if you don't want to use any of their projects anymore, you should switch, yes. But don't think you somehow "hurt or harm" them by "boycotting" fedora. Since you don't pay anything for fedora, you do not provide them any revenue by using it, therefore you are not taking any possible source of income away by NOT using it anymore.

You switching to another distro will change only what you use and nothing in the big picture. So it's 100% up to you with literally zero external factors to consider.... atleast imho

[-] Raphael@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

If everyone thought like that we wouldn't be on Lemmy.

[-] true_blue@lemmy.comfysnug.space 1 points 1 year ago

To me, it really doesn't feel like you need to switch unless you're actually being affected by this in some way. Fedora isn't actually Red Hat, they're just sponsored by them and assisted by them in other ways because Red Hat uses them as an upstream, but the worst case scenario that I know of, is simply that Red Hat will cut ties with Fedora.

[-] Qvest@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Fedora is 100% community supported. Red Hat is the primary sponsor and offers infrastructure and funding for the project, as well as full-time employees, but that’s the extent of the relationship. Red Hat doesn’t have decision-making powers. The project’s ideals force it to be open and transparent. So, if you are happy with it, stay with it. Red Hat only sponsors the Project. They don’t make decisions for the Project

[-] mrthp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

i just installed Kinoite on my laptop and I really like this distro feels very solid and snappy. i might just do ostree-rpm to rawhide to be on the latest of it at some point.

[-] Raphael@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No need to rawhide, Fedora already breaks all by itself every now and then.

[-] turdas@suppo.fi 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is literally zero practical reason to switch, so no one can answer that question without getting into your head and weighing the inconvenience of switching a distro against the ideological fervor and satisfaction you gain from showing those evil capitalists at Red Hat that you won't tolerate their actions by... switching off an almost entirely unrelated distro.

Personally I won't be switching away from Fedora for the foreseeable future, and think that you and half the people in this thread are being more than a little silly.

edit: Also, "now that"? This move is completely in line with Red Hat's behaviour for the past like 20 years. It will also quite literally affect nothing else but the existence of RHEL clones like Alma and Rocky, because virtually all the code and work that goes into RHEL is still upstreamed, and RHEL sources will still continue, in practice, to be publicly available, just with some delay.

[-] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

If you're strongly tied to KDE and immutability, then I would say no. There's not really an equivalent distro that provides stable immutability with a solid KDE/Plasma experience.

If you're tied to immutability, but not KDE, then I recommend openSUSE Aeon. It's Gnome, but with a few extensions, feels great as a KDE replacement. openSUSE Kalpa (KDE) exists, but is in a very rough alpha state and was mostly unusable for my purposes.

If you're tied to KDE and not immutability, then I recommend really any other distro. Can't go wrong with Arch, Nix, or even Debian if you don't mind slightly outdated packages (and that might be false now, I believe it just had a big release?).

[-] Scyther@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

For anyone wondering openSUSE Aeon = MicroOS. They renamed it in May.

[-] neardeaf@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

It’s honestly hard to say. Pretty much only pure vanilla Debian hasn’t done something I disliked. Okay well except the whole “systemd will not be a thing” ordeal before they changed their minds on that. I think you should wait and see, because RHEL is the original RPM based distro they all stem off of. Companies are just doing everything they can to stay afloat, which results in shitty feeling decisions like this.

[-] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

If you don't like systemd but still want to use Debian, try Devuan.

[-] heartlessevil@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Pretty much only pure vanilla Debian hasn’t done something I disliked.

You probably are only considering the top 3 Linux distros or something? There are a lot of independent distros out there that have never disappointed me. They tend to be noncommercial (the commercial incentive is what ultimately kills a distro.)

[-] Scyther@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I don't think that Fedora will be affected by the changes RedHat has made with RHEL in the near future. It's still a Community Distro. So there is no need to switch right now.

I'm using Silverblue currently, but i'm thinking about hopping to VanillaOS when they switch to Debian as a Base.

[-] Qvest@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Fedora is 100% community distribution with Red Hat as a sponsor and large contributor. Fedora will always be 100% free and open-source and will never charge to make source-code available if that concerns people. This reflects heavily on their Freedom foundation: “[…] a completely free project that anyone can emulate or copy in whole or in part for their own purposes.”

Red Hat may have a grip on resources and funding for the project, but neither IBM nor Red Hat have ultimate decision-making powers.

[-] s4if@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago
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