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[–] Butterphinger@lemmy.zip 98 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (16 children)

There's a dangerous bet going on right now that doesn't make the most sense.

It's Microsoft.

I just don't really understand their game right now. They're still playing like every card in the game is in their hand and they have nothing to lose, so I wonder, Linux friends, fellow enjoyers of hardware sold to the public, what do they know that we don't know?

It's almost as if Microsoft and every other hardware and mainstream software developer is secretly betting on the loss of private home computing. It's almost as if in the longrun, they aren't worried about our choices.

These Linux wins all over the place are cool and all, but the lack of any sweat whatsoever from these bozos has me on edge. Wtf is their game? From AAA gaming to your email client, it's all getting worse and they know it, they just keep doubling down.

[–] RidcullyTheBrown@programming.dev 48 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

so I wonder, Linux friends, fellow enjoyers of hardware sold to the public, what do they know that we don’t know?

Oh, you know it, you just don't want it to be true. Every business out there knows it too. The age of consumerism driven growth is gone, killed by the ever growing financial gaps between the layers of society in all western world. There is no point in playing nice to attract customers if they can't pay, so businesses are stealing from the poor (mostly data in the case of MS) and selling only to the rich (higher valuation). The products that are marketed are not the products that are needed for the companies to make money off of.

This shift might not be as visible with IT companies, but look at more obvious examples: even fucking McDonald's has stopped going after customers needing affordable meals and is going after fewer but richer customers. So do hotels. So do airlines. And yes, so do IT companies.

In the case of Microsoft, they have a lot of experience with fucking over low end consumers and then bouncing back too. They were the most hated company in the 2000s and pivoted to one of the good guys by the end of 2010s. They know they can afford to alienate customers for long periods of time with no lasting issues

[–] Butterphinger@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

ya got me! I knew

My prediction is that by 2040, Windows and your entire online existence as a... "normie" will be encapsulated within walled gardens via client access almost entirely.

Those of us still able to host anything will be doing it with ebay finds and crowsourced parts.

...but this is but one of my many branching possible timelines, maybe we get the "America goes KEN mode" timeline, "Mother nature rolls her sleeves up" or the "Humanity finally stands up for itself and realizes a leftist/socialist utopia" timelines. There's always the "China sics robot dogs with machineguns on everyone" timeline.

Hell, maybe a blend, idk.

[–] frightful5680@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Sir, this is a Wendy's. The only blend I know of is the coffee. (J)

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[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago

There is no point in playing nice to attract customers if they can’t pay, so businesses are stealing from the poor (mostly data in the case of MS) and selling only to the rich (higher valuation).

Do you remember when CEOs would make announcements at conferences they'd be trying to convince consumers about how good their product is? Pretty frequently they were lying, but now they're not even talking to us, when they speak they're addressing stock holders and other companies.

They were the most hated company in the 2000s and pivoted to one of the good guys by the end of 2010s.

I want an apology letter from all the "stop hating on Microsoft, its not 1999 anymore and they have a new CEO :) :) :)" people.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 28 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Microsoft has pretty much lost most of their experienced employees, they're sitting on a mountain of spaghetti code with tech debt that goes back to windows 3.11 to maintain compatibility, they've fired their QA team, and their absolutely out of touch leadership is trying to force the surviving employees to use AI anywhere they can for developing the OS to pump up the numbers of AI users to prop up their insanely huge AI gamble so shareholders don't lose faith.

They're acting confident because they haven't had to respond to a credible threat to their monopoly for 30 years, and that arrogance combined with everything mentioned above will most likely be their ultimate demise. The corporate system they have created and perpetuated is no longer capable of righting the ship, both technologically and organizationally.

They made a statement years ago now about how they were going to respond to the success of the steamdeck by creating a handheld mode for windows, but they never did, and Valve ate their lunch and allowed Linux to gain a foothold among gamers. They probably couldn't manage building that handheld mode (it's been so many years now, but I read a post from a Microsoft employee detailing how it could take something crazy like a week of work just to add a new menu entry to a drop-down without it introducing major breakages elsewhere).

They haven't been able to develop a killer app or feature for Windows in over a decade, and I don't think there's anything else under their sleeve. I believe we are actively witnessing the downfall of an ossified giant, just as the once great Commodore fell due to incompetence and extreme corporate greed.

They already use Linux for their server division (azure). Eventually, if Linux is able dominate on the desktop in the next decade, they may shift to selling their own Linux distro with a 100% windows compatible container/VM instead, an inversion of their current model of selling Windows with their optional WSL (windows subsystem for Linux).

[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Microsoft isn't exactly doing anything new. It's the same strategy that's worked for them forever ago:

Get kids used to Microsoft products by vendor locking K-12 schools with cheap contracts.

Monetize those kids when they graduate (they never had privacy to begin with, so there is little pushback) and hope they don't switch to Apple's subsidized MacBooks in college.

When all else fails, lean heavily on corporate contracts, since corporations can't change their ecosystem set up 40 years ago.

Linux wins factor very little in the equation... and anyone switching to Linux is quickly replaced by the next kid who has had a Microsoft Windows keyboarding class every year since age 9.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 21 points 4 weeks ago

That's why Linux in schools is so important.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It's called incumbency.

I remember a time when IBM had 95% market share of the PC market.

Then Apple and Microsoft innovated them out of the market, in software.

Blackberry had 80%+ market share of the smartphone segment they popularized. In 4 years it was almost entirely gone.

It happens when the engineers are sidelined and the finance and marketing people take over.

They are blind to any trends that they do not control. They are unable to innovate and unwilling to take risks. It kills gigantic companies slowly at first and then very quickly.

[–] rozodru@piefed.world 15 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

It’s almost as if Microsoft and every other hardware and mainstream software developer is secretly betting on the loss of private home computing.

You nailed it. This is what EVERY hardware and software company is hoping for, subscription based everything. Hell HP is already rolling it out on their laptops. If you don't outright OWN the hardware and you're using it on a sub then you don't have any choice but to use Windows. RAM Shortages? who cares. if you and I can't build our own PCs anymore than we have to sub a machine from Microsoft or HP or Dell or whomever. Those companies will ALWAYS get first dibs on RAM. And of course there's going to be tiers to this shit. Pay more than the base sub price and you get access to the gaming tier meaning your machine will have a dedicated GPU for gaming. so on and so forth. this is the future these companies want and thanks to stuff like Netflix and Spotify we've now been conditioned to accept it.

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[–] joshchandra@midwest.social 13 points 4 weeks ago

Maybe they're interested in finding exactly what the public's critical breaking point is. Without gauging exactly what the demand (for distraction-free, private use) is, they cannot optimize their sales. They sure lost big with France, but we'll see who else follows suit...

[–] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (7 children)

What if that’s they don’t care, as they’re the evil empire.

It reminded me that scene in Andor (2022) in the first season, episode 9, ‘nobody’s listening’ the protagonist says they’re not listening to prisoners as they don’t care, so much they don’t believe they can lose their domination. You have to be in the context of the show (which I highly recommend, if you like the Star Wars universe) to get the reference. But I think that could be the case here.

Microsoft may not care, not because they know something, but rather the opposite. Them being pedo oligarchs not really caring much. Perhaps they’re still into the illusion Linux is some very niche thing for dorks.

I have an interesting story about it (I’d write it in my blog, it’s somewhat long). If in a few words, at my kid’s school, they (a few teachers) have a very old PC that struggles with Windows (also, It’s HDD there), so I reinstalled Linux there. Prior, I asked what they use. ‘Not much really’ was the reply, and so I explored, and diagnosed it’s just browser (which was obsolete and couldn’t be updated), Word, and Explorer (files manager). Not much else.

Sure thing, Linux can do all of them many times better!

I picked Fedora Silverblue (that’s the atomic version with Gnome) thinking it’s so much better than the KDE version, as it’s simpler. It’s not more complex than Chrome OS. My mistake, even advertising it as a macOS (good, right?) clone did not help, they were terrified. The very next day I rebased it to KDE, and applied some Windows 11 theme. It was very similar in its looks. They said ‘OK, we’d try to use it’ but the very next day they asked me to bring their system back. (I never erased it, just swapped their HDD with my SSD.)

I gave up, perhaps quite quickly, but I have no resources to push them at the moment. For you to understand, their computer switched from being very noisy to being so silent I was asking (every day while it was with Linux, like 3 or 4 days in total) whether it’s on or not. Back to Windows, and it’s super noisy back again. The difference was night and day. Right now, the machine boots within like 5 minutes. A couple of minutes to desktop, and a few minutes for it to become usable. With the SSD and Linux, half a minute tops. And when it’s booted, it’s pretty much instant.

  • browser is the same, but updated
  • Word is Libre Office Writer, which is simpler. They don’t use it heavily, so it should work for them. I set it to save the files as docx. The icon is from MS Word.
  • file manager is many times simpler visually, yet million times more advanced. A Linux user would surely know the difference, especially given Microslop did theirs in Electron, lol.

Yet, they were afraid of Linux. Perhaps, my mistake was stressing that. Maybe I should have Only Office installed (is it more alike? Haven’t used it for many years), and invest some time into tuning the theme to be identical, it had some minor difference. And tell them that’s Windows 11, and I just updated their system. I don’t know. Their concern was they didn’t know how to work with it, not even trying. I explicitly offered to babysit them for a few days, to help them adapt, but they refused.

Perhaps, I should have tried Zorin, if it’s more similar visually. But I have no experience of it, so I’m not sure.

Apart from that, I believe Linux is more than ready to be a desktop OS, it has everything needed, or almost everything. Only some software is lacking, I’d say.

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Butterphinger@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 weeks ago

My take isn't that they're dumb, it's that a larger and more malicious bet is being made, that people won't be able to choose.

They may indeed be dumb, but they'll do anything they can to chain us to them forever.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 8 points 4 weeks ago

Microsoft is betting on technofascism. On an economy where labor - and most importantly military-industrial labor - has been automated to such an extent that consumption is irrelevant. Consumers won't have money to buy their shitty software anyway and governments and private military organisations will be running their increasingly automated mass murder programs on Azure servers. As they already did for the Palestinian genocide.

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 weeks ago

What are you going to do? Not use Microsoft Excel? It's got Copilot now. I don't see Libreoffice coming with AI. AI costs money!

[–] halfapage@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Well, for one they and their buddies can make new consumer PCs as closed as phones are. Old hardware will eventually run out if they'll keep the cartel knit tight enough.

Besides that, there is a slow but steady push to get rid of cash. Once it's gone, the only convenient way to use money for regular people will be digital banking. I think tech buddies won't have a hard time convincing bank buddies and gov buddies that any device/system not coming from authorized corpo is not safe to support. It would make those resisting assimilate, or quickly fall to the society's bottom.

[–] bitwise@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 weeks ago

It's already happening. Google's device attestation means that apps can insist you run a signed OS (signed by Google, or an authorized partner) or refuse to work. I use GrapheneOS and because of this, I can't tap to pay or use my phone as a car key. No chance they'll ever allow GrapheneOS to join that program because it undermines their data collection and control.

[–] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

a couple weeks ago, i have seen for the first time laptops with linux (ubuntu) preinstalled for sale in a store

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[–] leftascenter@jlai.lu 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

They now earn much more with cloud and ai, getting it all packaged to companies as saas, and are just switching markets. The desktop isn't their target anymore.

[–] anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 weeks ago

I imagine that they don't care for the small segment of users that can install another OS. Even if they stay at Windows we probably hamper and sabotage the telemetry/adware parts of the OS and become less profitable.

When looking at their Q4 earnings the Windows and Devices and Advertisement revenue should be high enough to warrant some effort. That effort is probably to increase the Advertisement revenue though.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/investor/earnings/fy-2025-q4/segment-revenues

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 34 points 4 weeks ago (15 children)

Look, if a guy at the Verge can use Linux then that means almost anyone can.

[–] Kjell@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Remember when they had their guide ofnhow to build a PC? It was wrong on so many things, but apparently they edited the guide. I have not read the current version so it could perhaps be good now or at least now misleading.

[–] ThisGuyThat@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

"He not fighting static, he fighting cancer!" -lyle

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 34 points 4 weeks ago (24 children)

There’s ridiculously little difference between Windows, OS X and GNOME nowadays. Once you realise that most of your Steam library works and you’ve hated Office for at least ten years anyway, that leaves browsers, which are exactly the same. Most users don’t want to fiddle with settings, installers and drivers, they’ll just accept what the machine comes out of the box with.

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (6 children)

There is more to it though. The one feature i miss from windows is casting.
I dont mean chromecast, i got that working. I mean wireless casting to a tv or projector. The windows + k feature.
Ive yet to get that working in linux...
Besides that, im a happy linux person

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[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago (21 children)

Life is more than browsers you know...

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[–] Deebster@programming.dev 32 points 4 weeks ago

Figuring out how to solve a problem on an OS I’d used for a few weeks fortuitously solved a problem I’d created trying to solve a different problem on a different OS a few years ago. We learn by doing!

I loved this bit, I think everyone in tech has a similar story of some kind.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

The only thing I hate about Linux is not the fault of Linux. It’s Microsoft and Akami’s fault.

Blocking of random sites by Edgesuite when I’m using Linux.

[–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I ran into this recently lol. You can avoid it by changing your user agent. You can do this is dev tools but there's probably an extension that makes it easy

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 weeks ago

I tried that. I tried setting it to Chrome and Edge on Windows but it didn’t help. I cleared the cache and restarted too.

I checked my IP and it wasn’t marked as a threat so I have no idea why it happens.

Thanks for trying to help! I appreciate you!

[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

The average user is not going with Linux,unless it's hidden. Microsoft knows this. Go Valve!

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

the verge

I hope as hell they didn't build that rig themsrlves

[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

I feel the same. Its been 20 years though.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 weeks ago

same, and i have had this annoying problem with network drivers that my internet cuts off randomly and i have to restart. Linux with problems is superior to well functioning windows for peace of mind alone.

[–] EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'll never go back to windows. The only problem I had with Linux was mint didn't like two monitors on hdmi and one on the other kind of cord. Once I figured that out, games ran no problem. I can live with only two monitors.

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I have also been daily driving Debian for about 4 months now.

Admittedly I do still need to hop into Windows - I haven't been able to get Space Engineers or AFOP among others to run stable or with proper performance through the built in steam proton layer. But when I'm browsing, working on CAD, writing documents, playing Minecraft, or basically anything else I just stay in Linux and it's fine.

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[–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

If I can get Cachy to work with the fourth monitor on my setup at the office I’d be rid of windows entirely

[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you have a quadro or something? a bunch of gaming GPUs only support 3, worth checking it might not be a driver thing

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[–] RidcullyTheBrown@programming.dev 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (18 children)

once to scan a multipage document that wasn’t scanning right in Linux, and once to print a photo for my kids

This was shockingly bad last time I needed to do it (years ago) and only had access to Linux devices. I now use my phone for scanning and printing and I've given up on trying to figure it out on my Linux machines.

I love that there's a big jump in adoption for Linux, but I feel it is still stuck in the "hobbyist" space, more suited to people who love to thinker with everything.

There would be wider / faster adoption if there would be some desktop environment with coherent user experience available, but this is the hardest problem to solve and unfortunately one people don't really want to pay for so I doubt we will have it in the near future

[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 20 points 4 weeks ago

Last time I tried scanning and printing on Windows, it took me over an hour to get the device recognized, the right drivers installed, the printer to actually receive the print job, and so on. Printers are just shitty pieces of hardware, Linux or not.

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