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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 61 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago
[–] undrwater@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Will they care / understand about false positives?

Not likely.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 48 points 3 weeks ago

Feature, not bug.

[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

As long as they kill p. of c., it'll be deemed legal 🫡🤢

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago

Their "facial recognition" ends up just being a binary switch on a light detector

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Took me waaaaay longer than it should have to realize "p. of c." means "people of color".

Still haven't figured out if you're censoring it, or if you think p. of c. is a faster way to abbriviate it.

Either way, that "shorthand" is stupid, and you should just write it out.

[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Folks who work in social justice will know the acronym "POC" but "p. of c." I don't usually encounter.

Are we sure it's not "prince of caspian?"

[–] IratePirate@feddit.org 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Naw, it's price of coffee. It's way too high and needs to be brought down.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Remember 20 years ago when Wikileaks was telling us about all the false positives swept up in the War on Terror?

Both Bush and Obama got reelected. No one at the federal level gives a shit.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Targets for what???? Being brown? They need AI to confirm their racism? Was the old peter griffin white/not white chart not doing it for them anymore???

[–] Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You can't be called a racist if a machine decides it for you, same as if a drone does the killing, it mean you can't get convicted for murder even if you hit button to fire

/s

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm sure that's what it will be: proprietary and questionable algorithms to identify anyone that might not be a 3+ generation American of European origin.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And to shove justification off to a black box. Awful hard to put an algorithm on trial.

[–] SaneMartigan@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

They're gonna fall back on the algo being racist and not the storm troopers with the nazi tattoos, those guys are just doing what the AI tells them.

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[–] mech@feddit.org 31 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

It'll use AI and even if you have your passport and birth certificate on you, proving they're wrong, you'll be in El Salvador before you can plead your case.

i think that's already the case

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[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Time to get your Insane Clown Posse makeup working.

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[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Time to carry portable EMPs

… uhhh how do I make one?

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

You don't need a portable EMP.

All you need is basic KN95 mask and a hoodie. Or you can invest in sunglasses or ID-blocking eyeglasses, like IDGuard from Zenni. The point is to have your features covered as much as is feasible. When I go to a protest I wear a costume that covers my whole head and a jumpsuit.

You should have a KN95 on anyway if you're going out among people.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

You should know facial recognition software is optimized to defeat KN95 masks specifically

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What do you think what you posted even means? covering most of what it is using to identify is already going to make it drastically more difficult to match

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Then wear a cloth one with a pattern on it.

This isn't difficult.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That won’t work either and it’s very difficult as a matter of fact.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Agreed that there's no perfect solution.

But one can, and should, make it harder, and if your head, eyes, and face are covered (which is exceedingly easy and inexpensive to do with a ball cap, sunglasses, and a face mask) it's going to beat all but the best systems.

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[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Notably the risks aren't simply that this will identify the undocumented its that it will provide a pretext to disappear almost anyone who isn't white.

The question is does any given non-white person look enough like one of over 10M people to get falsely flagged given agents a pretext to remove almost anyone they stop. Facial recognition of one person against a large enough database will almost always provide at least on possible match this is especially true if it matches against possible aliens and not against possibly aliens and citizens. EG a query of both will likely turn up Betty Sue Smith is herself and maybe a possible match with Known Deportable but a search against only aliens may return only Known Deportable with agents dismissing any claim by Betty that her ID must be fake.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

it will provide a pretext to disappear almost anyone who isn't white.

Pretty sure you don't need a.i. glasses to figure out what colour someone is.

[–] Canigou@jlai.lu 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

No but you can say "The AI told me to detain them" and not take any responsibility. "I was just answering orders" is sadly too common of an excuse in dooing the worst things...

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The American people should wear masks and sun glasses when out.

[–] wilt@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

Head to toe body covering… wait…

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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

Wrong. The glasses will misidentify in real time.

The goal is to "accidentally" arrest and deport US citizens.

[–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 3 weeks ago

Always has been.

Cameras are THE tools for surveilance, and adding more everywhere has always had only one goal.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why bother they just target random people anyway. I have never seen any indication that their behaviour is in any way directed.

[–] ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The point is to absolve the human behind the arrest from responsibility. "The system" gets to do the decision making, then the human can't be responsible for making a mistake and arresting the wrong person.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So we are doing “just following orders” again?

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

More the corporate "this was an unforseeable error in the system" that absolves themselves of any responsibility.

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[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Everyone should be wearing a Luigi mask anyway.

Like in V for Vendetta, but Saint Luigi instead.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Look hard enough, or message the sellers and you can get Luigi.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 4 points 3 weeks ago

The glasses don't have to work, they just need "plausible" excuses for picking up anyone who catches their fancy. $1,500 a head, be it man, child, or woman.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 3 weeks ago

how convenient, the android zuckerg has just deployed these glasses for those purposes.

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Is this like how we planned to nuke the moon in the '50s to scare the Russians?

[–] Pavidus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Not a problem, really. They wear masks? So do I.

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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You guys have to install using fake mustaches/nose/glasses thing as a new trend... idk how do you call this

[–] FE80@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Groucho glasses.

[–] uenticx@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Everyone should start wearing clothing with known cartel member faces silk-screened on every inch.

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