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It's not that humans are inherently evil, it's that inherently evil humans exist.
The main problem is that enough people believe the lies the evil ones tell them and let them have power to fuck everyone.
Humans are tribalistic animals, and that trait is part of why it's so easy for horrible people to convince others to do horrible things.
A quote from Dune if I recall correctly is power attracts the corruptable, not exactly that it corrupts. So not that humans are evil but we offer positions that shouldn't be given to anyone that wants it. Mean okay I'm sure there's good people that try for elected positions for sure.
Also quote from hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, no one that seeks power should be given it. Or similar was in reference to who they elect president.
While hitchhiker's guide is comedy I think it holds well, people who seek power want to abuse it. People resultant to accept a position may be better to administer. I think, while quite different moods in their texts, they were saying the same thing. One (quite boring and dry, no pun intended, at first read) another just silly with some commentary on life.
Funny how that works cause you'd think democracy would weed others out. But gestures to democracies these days we see how things work with media manipulation. I think the hitchhiker's guide worked and well was made due to the education of the author.
So why the eff aren't we supporting system where we can cultivate ideas to improve ourselves rather than hearing media tell us not to like someone who is probably cool anyways?
Yes a north american view but right wing has been spreading and all.
I'd love it if campaigning was outlawed. You get a list of candidates and their voting history on key issues.
If people had actually looked at her voting records, Harris would have been a great choice. Her Senate voting history is pretty damn close to Bernie's.
But for some reason people still listen to campaign messaging even though it's well known politicians lie through their teeth to get elected.
Thats why no man should have power over others.
Hard agree! Unless it's me of course, because my right is more right than others.
Jokes aside, it's obvious that power structures arrise in nature like cancer in a body. The socialy disadvantegous take over, and cannibalize everything.
A holocracy perhaps? I still don't have more than a vague concept of what could be attempted. I know that self-sufficiency is GOOD, and I want to encourage it asmuch as possible.
This prevents leverage and exploitation of you and your neighbours.
This, however, does not mean standing idly aside, as someone else gets exploited. It should be an ethic to help your neighbour to the point where they can be self-sufficient, as this protects YOU from them turning on you in desperate times.
Yeah, it would be great if people stopped being dicks, but don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen.
The problem is that people that want power will find ways to get power even if there's no established structures that give people power.
How do you prevent that from happening?
"people that want power will find ways to get power"
nah. probably not.
So how exactly do you think this all started in the first place? We didn't start out with people in power...
Establish customs and structures that prevent power. It needs vigilance. There's evidence that before agriculture some humans exhibited "reverse dominance hierarchy," where if someone tried to assert dominance, the group would team up and ostracise, exile, or execute them.
So all I gotta do is be the person delegated to the vigilance task and I'm golden for a takeover
Zapatistas frequently rotate roles. There are no professional police or politicians.
No no of course not, it'll only take a minute, and hey, I did such a good job with food distribution I can do it again if you want....
Democracy and the separation of power is such a structure that we already have. It works perfectly fine if "the group would team up" and vote people that try to assert dominance out.
We're just missing the "customs" that would make people do just that, and the question is how to establish this custom.
It was already clear that we need customs that make people not give other people power, the question that I posed was how to start those customs you talk about.
Yeah, I think the current consensus is dual power and wait until its either strong enough or the state is weak enough to revolt.
Well, there might need to be an equal and opposite reaction in order to keep it in check. If some people are just inherently evil and desire power over others, then I imagine there would also be inherently good people and desire to protect others.
I don't think you can "prevent" this outright. That's why there's talk of "vigilance" and being "watchful" when it comes to government/democracy.
I absolutely agree with you, but this requires people to mostly think like that. And if people already mostly think like that, then it is actually almost completely irrelevant what political system we have. The question is how to establish such a mindset in people.
Hmmm.. idk if "establishing a mindset in people" is viable tho. That kinda sounds like "make them think a certain way". I'm reminded of the adage you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink you know?
People arent born seeking power. That is an idea they get at a certain point. Why? Can we not nuture people away from this path?
How do you know your first sentence is true?
"Goo goo gaa gaa I want to have power over others" is no one's first sentence. Its an idea you have to learn at some point
No one's first words are "goo goo gaa gaa I want to put my penis in your pussy" and for some reason humans still manage to figure that one out like 12 years later without explicitly being taught it.
Just because something is not immediately apparent in a baby does not mean that it isn't innate.
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Crazy how we have a phrase like "power corrupts" yet refuse to treat it as a mental illness.
We are being ruled over by power addicts
just one more power bro i swear i'll stop if i just get one more power bro i swear
Its just perfectly normal healthy paranoid pedophilic blood cults with measurably less of several kinds if intelligence than baseline. I dont see why you have tocall them mentally ill.
Power corrupts, but we can't just make power disappear... The only logical solution is to spread it as thinly as possible amongst everyone, so it corrupts as little as possible. Ergo, anarchy.
What if instead we totally alienated a bunch of the worst people to ever exist from any consequence, built society on appeasing them at any cost, and then murdered everyone who wanted anything else,though?
I personally think thats a much better idea, and will murder you if you dont agree.
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I talked about anarchism with someone recently, and "evil people" was their main argument.
I've been thinking about it a lot. My point of view is that power structures give those evil people an unmatched oportunity to gain power over others. I think most of them are in politics, be it in democracy or authoritarian regimes. They are the best at climbing hierarchies and have the motivation to do so, unlike most people.
But still, it seems that having evil people in politics is somehow better than having to deal with them directly for a lot of people. It may be the fear of unknown - governments might do bad things on a much bigger scale, but at least they are predictable. That's just my interpretation though.
anarchism doesn't mean you can't get organised.
that said, it's pretty damned hard to defend against an attacking nation, if you don't have taxpayer funded hierachical military. hard doesn't mean impossible tho
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