Kamala would have continued suport for Israel, including arming and funding them, just like Biden. But starting literal war with Iran? Bombing school girls? I kinda doubt it. Biden didn't.
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What about firing all the senior generals and burning 14 years of missiles in 1 month or turning Hurmuz into a reparations toll booth?
IMO the lefty "own the libs" mentality is indistinguishable from maga's brain rot. Like congrats your mom smoked weed instead of taking you to church?
America is cooked because the people most dialed into what's going on all have goldfish brains apparently.
Like congrats your mom smoked weed instead of taking you to church I guess
Bold of you to assume I’m a leftist because my mom told me to be one and not from all the bigoted shit I saw at church.
My thought exactly. Nothing dissuades people from being xtian than being around other xtians long enough.
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Biden didnt seem to care about Israel using bombs he supplied to kill plenty of school girls.
But you see, it's different because the US is only supplying the orphan crushing machine, keeping it running, and making more. It's okay as long as we aren't actually throwing the orphans in ourselves!
https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/14/the-jerusalem-u-s-israel-strategic-partnership-joint-declaration/ (because the WH direct link memory holed' it)
The United States stresses that integral to this pledge is the commitment never to allow Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon, and that it is prepared to use all elements of its national power to ensure that outcome. The United States further affirms the commitment to work together with other partners to confront Iran’s aggression and destabilizing activities, whether advanced directly or through proxies and terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah, Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Its the same doctrine that the Trump whitehouse is following. Biden supported the genocide of Palestine, under this doctrine. Do you think Kamala would have been to stop the 12 day war? Or would have even been interested in stopping it?
I don't. At least not with the level of support to Israel you describe, a level of support almost certainly she would have maintained or at least increased. It would have been more polite. Maybe they would have built a coalition first. Maybe they spend 6 months sane-washing it so that BlueMAGA supports it.
But this is what Israel wanted. And the Biden Whitehouse and the Harris candidacy ran on a policy of giving Israel everything they wanted.
Eh. For decades US Presidents have given full-throated support to Israel. For decades they have hugged Israel's PM and invited them to Congress. For decades Israel has asked US Presidents to bomb Iran to dust. And for decades US Presidents said no. Until Trump.
Did you not notice the Gaza genocide? Whose presidency did it start under?
i didn't say anything about Gaza. We're talking about Iran
Well no shit.
You don’t see a relationship between the two? You don’t see a pattern?
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This may come as a bit of a shock, but Gaza is not Iran.
Well no shit.
You don’t see a pattern?
ETA:
Do you want to go "Uhm, ackshually" man-splain to The Independent that Lebanon isn't Gaza?
DO YOU SEE A PATTERN? If not, why not?
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It's fair to say that Israel has wanted to push out or kill all the Palestinians for decades, yet no POTUS before Biden gave them carte blanche to do so. Going on that standard there's no telling what Biden's actual red lines were. Especially since reducing Iran to reinforce the stranglehold of the global north's oligarchs has long been a goal of the Pentagon too.
I think a big part of "why now" is that the decades of propaganda painting Israel as the "good guys" of the region have really frayed. I believe that this was basically the last-ditch effort by Israel to meet it's most desired strategic objectives before it loses its remaining political cover. There may have been more pushback from a less incompetent military under Harris, but I'm not at all confident that she wouldn't have been sold on it anyway.
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Start a war, probably not
Let Israel start a war and follow in after, probably
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Congratulations on being someone who chose to watch the world burn instead of trying to stop it in whatever small ways were possible.
Your moral superiority must feel great from the safety of your keyboard.
Congratulations on being a right wing dickwad happy to see a little genocide as long as you weren’t affected at home.
"I want fewer genocides, not more genocides" is not "I'm fine with a little genocide."
No president other than trump would've been stupid enought to start this fight. Proven by 2 decades of NOT AT WAR WITH IRAN. Get off your high horse, you aren't a martyr for anyone. People die everyday and all we really can control is that which happens AT HOME.
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So instead you got MORE genocides.
So who is the real right wing dickwad that is happy to see genocides?
Congratulations, you played yourself.
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Fuck this "both sides" bullshit
Fuck this my child murdering genocide side is good bullshit.
Nobody is here to say Kamala is good. They're saying if you think she's the same as Trump, you either haven't been paying attention or you're one of the "both sides" criers that got us into this shit in the first place. No, Kamala is far from my first pick, but at this point a drunken orangutan would be a marked improvement.
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Both the Soviets and the Canadians said that Nazi Germany was their main enemy during WW2, but that doesn't mean the Soviets and Canadians were equivalent to each other.
If you, a campist, and a theocrat walked into a bar, and all said "Death to America", that would not mean the three of you are suddenly in agreement of what your opposition means.
Furthermore, even being united in opposition of the same type is still not opposition of the same intensity - both you and a Republican (at least pre-2016) would probably agree that, say, North Korea's government is tyrannical and needs to be put down. The difference is that the Republican's opposition to the immediate existence of North Korea's government would probably be intense enough to sanction unprovoked interstate warfare, whereas your opposition would probably not sanction interstate warfare, instead preferring internal revolution.
Put another way, a bunch of US presidents have hated Cuba for immensely petty reasons. But only a few have hated it enough to actually attempt to invade.
"No one is good here"? Yeah, fucking fair. US politics are mega-fucked, and that's not even getting into the question of how many Americans actually agree with this shite (too many). "They are the same level of horrific"? Not a fucking chance, and no analysis of the situation bears that out that isn't reliant on alternate history level "But you couldn't KNOW it wouldn't happen" about how the discovery of rubber duckies in 100 AD would have made Christianity LGBT-friendly.
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I don't like politicians that support billionaires or holy wars either, but isn't this ideology partially responsible for the situation we're in now?
I understand that voting for someone who is not just the lesser of two evils but also directly opposed to our fundamental values might perpetuate a broken system... but couldn't there be a way to change the political zeitgeist without killing our own citizens in the streets and threatening to glass a country of millions?
I want the systems of oppression to fall as much as the next guy, but allowing the Trump administration to concentrate power as fast as possible doesn't seem like a fair trade to get there.
but isn't this ideology partially responsible for the situation we're in now?
Welcome to the intent of the propaganda mills creating the easily digested, easily disseminated slop that gets spammed to this community repeatedly and uncritically.
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Israel started this war, both sides would follow Israel’s lead.
To pretend Kamala was different is how you get into this situation.
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The lesser evil keeps leading to the greater evil. It's no more delusional to demand better, than it is to think that reaffirming the status quo will lead you anywhere but evil.
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Everyone and their grandmother knows a war with Iran would mean Iran closing down the strait of Hormuz, so no one was about to do it. So no Harris wouldn't have done it JFC. You can say they are an adversary without declaring war JFC. Only Trump is dumb enough to do it.
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To be fair, only Trump was the one dumb enough to go with Bibi. I'm sure Beebs asked Biden and the rest
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Scratch a neo-liberal a fascist bleeds.
Because there have been precisely zero other consequences to trump (/s for those in the back)
IMO Trump is president because he's a good puppet. Kamala wouldn't have been as useful I think.
AIPAC always makes sure the current president, no matter who, is friendly toward them with lots of money or likely is the case political blackmail.
Sorry, that excuse doesn't work. You helped create this, dead with it
Military spending under Biden was the highest it had ever been (and more than the next 9 countries combined).
Sure, that money could've gone towards reducing the cost of living and giving them a chance at reelection, but at least this way they ensured the Republicans have a bunch more planes and shit to play with. Great job!
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