Damn, can't remember the last time I was proud of the UK for something lol
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This shows that data can be very misleading. Both India and China have huge rural subsistence farming populations that produce virtually no emissions
Yes, and yet the difference between them is a factor of 4.
Now, I don't know this source. And I'm always sceptical of infographics. Does this include the fact that many other countries have their manufacturing in China?
I think this is probably a case where the median gives a far more complete picture than the average.
Very topsy-turvy world where European countries can be "coffee exporters" and claim better environmental practices than the countries they exploit
What coffee-producing country is higher than the European countries on that chart?
Well this is more about the land use policies that the Europeans push on them, but you can easily find workshops of them "instructed African farmers on better ecological practices" and shit like that. They write articles about the dangers of monocropping, pesticide use, etc, all practices their debt system demands to keep up. They insist these countries do not develop higher industry even car factories as it would be a carbon explosion, that's been fixed with electric veh— But that would require background information, why not just attempt to gotcha me to misrepresent what I'm saying (the only thing anyone on here knows how to do)
But that would require background information, why not just attempt to gotcha me to misrepresent what I'm saying
I asked a simple question for clarification, that's not a gotcha attempt. If you can't answer it straightforwardly then maybe you gotcha-ed yourself.
I didn't misrepresent what you were saying. You claimed this graphic says Europeans have better climate stats than exploited coffee-producing regions. It appears to show most European countries as having higher carbon emissions per capita than any coffee-producing country.
Did you misrepresent yourself in what you were trying to say, or are you misrepresenting the graphic? Because you still haven't explained what you meant if it was something else, you just got defensive and complained about me asking you to clarify.
"It's not a gotcha"—proceeds to interrogate the point that was already clarified. Eat my entire ass snookums
Not my fault if you never read a Guardian article about the chilling prospect of Africa industrializing in the past fifteen years. You had time
proceeds to interrogate the point that was already clarified.
You never clarified the point. And my last response wasn't a continuation of the first, it was a response to your reply. So that doesn't change the fact that my first response was not a gotcha attempt. My second was simply batting down your unnecessary hostility.
Not my fault if you never read a Guardian article about the chilling prospect of Africa industrializing in the past fifteen years.
This post isn't about the guardian, it's about an infographic that shows european nations among the biggest per-capita carbon emitters. The only coffee-producing country that I'm aware of that I see in the graphic is Indonesia, which is near the bottom. So how was your comment relevant?
And unless you provide a source to a Guardian article saying what you're claiming, I'm just going to assume it's bullshit. They're not the torygraph...
I'd be really interested to see this broken down into carbon output by corporations vs individuals, and by the top 1% in wealth vs. everyone else - I bet it would be quite telling.
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