I mean with Trump now, surely Obama comparatively seems great? Not a saint but isn't it easy to see why those relatives would miss him?
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Yes but part of being a lefty is never being happy. It's traditional!
Well clearly you're not a real lefty then pfft
What else would I be, they always said I'm not right.
Obama bombed children, that will never seem great in any way, shape, or form.
If someone worse than Trump comes along, are you happy to say “I miss Trump?”.
Have a line and hold it.
I mean that’s the reason we have the words: “better” and “worse.”
If something is “better than”, then yes, I believe it is better.
Y’all act like anyone said Obama was a saint. Hell, some saints have been worse than Obama.
It’s why the overton window keeps shifting, because the level of evil you accept keeps looking better in comparison to worse.
It’s why the overton window keeps shifting, because the level of evil you accept keeps looking better in comparison to worse.
... would you like to outline the past ~70 years of the Overton window shifting to allow more evil instead of less? Or were we voting for saints back in the 50s?
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Ok what’s your suggestion? To keep going with “worse”? To what end? What if I told you that not everyone wanted Bernie Sanders? What if I told you we live in a world where we need to live with each other and we all have different opinions and values?
Since you can’t get everything YOU want you think you’re morally superior to others around you.
Would you say that James Buchanan and/or Andrew Jackson are better or worse than Obama?
History is full of horrible presidents, kings and leaders. Progress isn’t a straight line.
it's not about what you or i want; it's about having basic human decency and standing up against red lines like genocide; ethnic cleansing; and especially bombing innocent people from orbit or separating children from their parents to trying them individually in obama's case.
pretending that these are little more than wish list item minimizes these nazi level atrocities and reflects your character as a human being.
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I get your point and I don't disagree, but surely you get your relatives too?
Nope. I don't really get that shortsighted mentality of missing the lesser evil.
Evil is evil regardless and it should never be missed just because you weren't a victim of their evil deeds. That's how you abandon your solidarity
Nope. I don’t really get that shortsighted mentality of missing the lesser evil.
"I don't understand why someone might miss when things were less bad!"
Tracks.
Bad is bad. Just because you weren't personally affected by the bad doesn't make it less bad, just exposes how little solidarity with the oppressed you actually have.
It does not expose anything of the sort. You are just applying strawmen in your purity test.
no, saying “i miss obama” is the same as those republicans who whinge that they voted for trump three times but NOW trump is bad because it effects them.
they remember Obama fondly because that time was good FOR THEM. and not because obama was a good president. it’s gross because it’s selfish and akin to saying “i wish it was like the 20’s - 50’s, times were better then…” you automatically know the type of person who said that and why
I remember Obama fondly because Obama's actions were less bad. People who say "I wish it was the 20s-50s" are wishing for a time when things were worse on matters that they find less-compelling.
Would you like to outline any of Obama's policies which were worse than the current shitshow in the fascist merry-go-round?
"Things were bad in the past, therefore, things can never get worse" is fucking childish and asinine and something that should've been educated out of folk in the 1st-2nd grade.
i remember the cop who beats people fondly because cops now a days just shoot people.
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“People who say ‘I wish it was the 20’s-50’s ‘ are wishing for a time when things were worse on matters that they find less-compelling”
that was my exact point. it speaks to the character of a person who determines that the bad things that happen are not their problem, and shows a lack of empathy, and signals where its ok to stop trying to push things to being better. that is why its gross.
it was never about who was worse
i remember the cop who beats people fondly because cops now a days just shoot people.
Unironically, yes; for the same reason I would be nostalgic for the Weimar Republic whilst living under the fucking Nazi regime.
That you find those two to be morally equivalent is a 'you' problem.
that was my exact point. it speaks to the character of a person who determines that the bad things that happen are not their problem, and shows a lack of empathy, and signals where its ok to stop trying to push things to being better. that is why its gross.
"Wow, I miss the days when we were fighting a less-fucked system."
"Oh, so you'd want to stop fighting if only you could have that system back?"
???????
i would have both cops … removed instead of pointing for the days where it was only the minorities who were getting shot. the point is to acknowledge that both cops were pices of fucking shit and both needed to be stopped
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I wouldn't trust you at all making any judgements about history or anything else, because you are so scared about not passing your own purity test, that you think making any kind of concession about a grading scale of the difference of various historical characters makes your peers denounce your own political purity.
Remember noone said anything about supporting anybody, but they definitely said something about Obama is not the same as Trump.
Bad is bad. Less bad is less bad.
Having family members concerned about the level of uncertainty involved in their immigration proceedings was bad, as no one, but especially not people who've been in the country and established lives, should be treated as illegal for their region of residence. Having family members fucking deported for it because of changes in Federal immigration enforcement policy is fucking worse.
Inflicting more suffering on the oppressed so you can feel 'pure' isn't solidarity, it's solipsism.
Miss me with your uneducated, centrist bullshit.
We get it, you weren't affected personally, so you don't give a shit about the lives of those that were already being affected. We get it. You have no solidarity.
And FYI, we aren't the ones inflicting the suffering so nice try shifting that blame.
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Trump has bombed children. And he has RAPED children.
Ha ha, and it only gets worse from here. Not just in the US, across the west. Respective of party, every new administration worse than the last. Unless we organize.
Both sides bad. Amirite?
This is primarily an anarchist community. If you want us to call the Democrats good, you'll be waiting for a long time. The 9th layer of hell and the 7th layer of hell have differences, but it's still hell.
I wish online leftists hated conservatives half as much as they hate people who are only a little left wing. Like ya, Obama sucks and bombed a school a decade and a half ago but trump bombed one two weeks ago and also wants to do a genocide right now.
Well, Trump is bombing children now so of course the previous president who bombed children is okay.
What an utterly daft statement that is lacking in solidarity. Like, bruh, they both bombed children in the pursuit of Imperialist power. That should fall well below the minimum expectations required for you to willingly be supportive of either candidate. This shortsighted, reactionary mentality is exactly how we ended up with the society we have.
Continuing to settle for the 2nd worst option only ensures that society continues to backslide as the threat of something even worse traps people into ceding power to a "lesser evil" which in turn only enables evil to continue to hold power over the people.
And absolutely laughing at the insinuation that Obama was even remotely left-wing. That is just a politically illiterate statement.
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We're looking at him through the lens of 2026. At least he pushed for the Affordable Care Act and repealing of Don't Ask Don't Tell. The man wasn't a saint but he sure as shit is better than what we have now. Yes I'd rather have a socialist like Bernie Sanders but this is all we have unfortunately and if I had to make a choice between the two administrations I'd go with Obama 11 times out of 10.
You, like everyone else, fail to realize that by having a weak leader, it dooms us to the fake strong leader of the republicans. Or the fascimile of the republicans in EVERY western country. Wake up. We will get reform, under strong leadership, either we give it to them, or fascists will.
"I agree, he wasn't perfect and was certainly a product of a broken system. However, nothing you've said has changed my missing him, nor my believing that he was infinitely better than Trump, even if not perfect."
The list of people who let Perfect be the enemy of Good grows at the end of every American school year. Republicans LOVE single-issue voters since they're easy to manipulate. Source: 2024 election.
The list of people who make excuses for crimes against humanity and genocide is the enemy all. Right-wingers love excusing a little mass murder.
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Bayard Rustin was a gay man who was one of the top organizers of MLK's March On Washington.
Rustin never pushed King to speak out on gay rights, because they both know that the USA in the 1960's wasn't ready for that conversation.
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All US presidents should be sent to the Hague
The sanctioning of 'double-tap' drone strikes, and, by a fairly recent interpretation of international law, enabling Saudi atrocities in Yemen.
What else does he have?
The first black American president, turning one of the wealthiest nations in Africa, Libya, into a failed state with open slave trade markets is peak irony.
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