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Assuming billionaires were going to get a special tax, how would you actually determine how much to tax them? Sure some would be straightforward like Musk where it’s entirely derived from a few companies with known ownership stakes, but what about all the others?

We don’t even know the names of most of the billionaires. With all the games they can play to hide money, now made even easier thanks to the changes Trump made in his first few months, how would you even figure out who and what amount to tax? They don’t have a normal salary or easily documented income like everyone else.

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[–] Joloxino@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Set up a flat tax to close to 40%.

Can be paired with an automatic credit for around half of the poverty line.

Tax=(income × 0.40) - (poverty / 2)

The poor people get a negative income tax, while the people who earn more pay more.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

That's just progressive tax brackets with extra steps.

[–] elevenbones@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Take their moneys.

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't tax rich in any special way.

I'd get rid of all income taxes, and tax the shit out of luxury good consumption

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bad idea. People will buy less.

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Since when building savings is a problem?

[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

With a gun to their head

(which i must point out is historically how the people who invented taxes, i.e the sovereign, would have done it)

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Like the French.

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 1 points 1 week ago

"Give us half your money or give us half your scalp"

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's just an upper limit on what any one person can own.

Ten houses, one private airplane, one yacht, and $100 million worth of 'stuff.'

No more than 1% of any company.

That's just off the top of my head for discussion. Feel free to jiggle with the numbers.

[–] Broken_Orange_Juice@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No more than 1% of any company doesn't sound reasonable. Imagine creating a company and only being allowed to own 1%. Heck, if you just made a company who even are you going to sell the other 99% to?

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago

This is the rate for billionaires.

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Take the number advertised on the Forbes list and their self reported number. Tax then according to which is the higher.

Tax unrealised gains on holdings annually not on realisation. Tax banks for giving loans against stock holdings, with rate of interest under 2%.

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

With bullets. On all of them.

[–] Zannsolo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Tax stock when it is given for bonus or pay package. The gov gets the top end tax rate with of the stock to be sold over the next 12 months.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago

I would do a small transaction tax like 1% that should hopefully put the brakes on short term trading and tax inheritance the same as lottery winnings. Tax investment the same as income. for corps tax them based on their entire holdings right up to their top owner with all its subsidiaires but they can deduct any tax they pay in authorized countries (so the way we do sanctions now we could take away their taxes being able to be deducted).

[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago

the only sure way is to abolish private property and give the businesses to the workers

[–] AstroLightz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

EDIT: formatting

A potential mathematical approach to equal taxation that works in any country:

  1. Calculate the average income of every citizen. Let A = the average income (amount per year)
  2. Set a baseline tax amount for the average (e.g. 10%). Let P = baseline tax percentage
  3. Given a person's income, calculate how far above or below they are compared to the average. Let I = a person's income. We can calculate the difference, D, with D = I - A. A positive value means the person's income is above average, whereas negative is below.
  4. Calculate the difference as a percentage. Let Q = D / A
  5. Calculate the percentage of the tax percentage. This will determine how much more or less a person will have to pay: R = Q * P
  6. Finally, calculate the person's unique tax amount: T = P + R. If R was a positive value, that means the person will pay more. If R was a negative value, they pay less. If R = 0, they pay the base amount.

Example: Let's say the average income per year is $50,000 USD, and the baseline tax rate is 10%

So A =50,000 and P = 10% / 100 = 0.1

Given a person's income: $30,000/yr:

I = 30,000

Calculate the difference:

D = 30,000 – 50,000 = –20,000

Q = –20,000 / 50,000 = –0.4 (–40%)

Calculate how much more/less the person pays:

R = –0.4 * 0.1 = –0.04 (–4%)

Calculate the unique tax amount:

T = 0.1 + (–0.04) = 0.1 – 0.04 = 0.06 (6%)

There might be a better set of formulas, but this is what I came up with. Let me know if I made a mistake in my math.

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[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

America used to tax billionaires already in the 1900s. Nothing new to invent here.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

An incremental step would be to look at the tax cuts of the last few decades, and role them back. That especially includes other types of income and passthroughs

As someone who has participated in startups, the options and shares market is a rigged game. We also need to restore rules for the ultra wealthy so they play the same game as we do

[–] black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

One rifle per family.

[–] sircac@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

At least until the bottom 50% has as much as the top 50%

[–] CannedYeet@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Not exactly a solution for the ultra rich oligarchs, but a progressive consumption tax would be a good policy. It would be applied as a sales tax on everything, everyone would get regular rebate checks to cancel out the tax on spending up to the exemption. It could make all the megayachts more expensive.

[–] dgdft@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago
[–] disregardable@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Flat tax on spending, flat tax on financial assets, flat tax on out of state transfers. Just no matter what anyone does with their money, it's taxed.

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