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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/16451158
I want to preface this by saying that I do vote in every election, and I think everyone should exercise their right to vote.
That being said, both parties are bad. We're in a class war, and the Democrats are just as beholden/part of the oligarchy as the Republicans are.
The Republicans are definitely worse than the Democrats. There's no question there, but what we really need is a fucking revolution.
“Literally the only way”? They tried violent treason and have refused to swear in duly elected reps that are not of their party. If you think they’ll leave when their term is up just because you voted someone else in… the major players aren’t going anywhere. These aren’t the kind of people that gain power and then let it go. Don’t not vote, but don’t believe that’s how we’re getting out of this mess.
Dear Americans, voting for Democrats will get you nowhere, too. I know this is hard, but you will have to start a revolution or vote for a third party in an unprecedented coordinated effort.
Try your hardest to create a new party the day after election day. If it fails, vote Democrat and start trying again the next day.
You have no idea how strongly and passionately I wish to see the day that you guys get a proper multi-party system. What you have right now is super fucked up.
https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States
EDIT: Also, yes, Trump and GOP are definitely trying to downright rig elections and that can't be ignored, of course
The first step to multiple parties is ranked choice voting. But honestly rather than multiple parties, no parties is the better format
At the very least, people not voting definitely benefits someone—apathy is never neutral.
There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to massive wealth inequality. There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to fascism. If you think voting alone is going to save our country, or the world, you have a problem.
I like how people here are trying to have a discussion of whether or not voting third party, or voting at all, is necessary when there are currently concerns (and investigations) of Trump and the Epstein class rigging this last election in the first place. I should also remind everyone that there were similar concerns when Bush first got elected back in 2000. How sure are we that we can rely on voting if that is indeed true?
Furthermore-- I voted for Harris, but I am fucking sick and tired of voting for Democrats. Fucking sick and tired! They are fucking useless. I voted Democrat these last four presidential elections and it is these Democrats and the party as a whole who helped usher in Trump. It has done nothing but cause problems. Biden carved the pathway for both Trump and Netanyahu to carry on the genocide in Palestine and now in Lebanon. He helped the Israeli government go on this psychotic imperialistic crusade against others like Iran and very soon Cuba. And Greenland. Harris vowed that she would continuing working with the Israeli government if she was elected, and she vowed to have the ICE budget expanded also. Both sides ARE fucking bad. Democrats have done jack shit to try to impeach Trump or 25th amendment him so far despite the child sex trafficking through ICE arrests, nor the outright kidnapping and murders of American citizens on the streets and in ICE encampments. Nor for kidnapping leaders of other countries. The list goes on. Just impeachment alone.
Most Democrat congressmen are financed by AIPAC just like the Republicans. Whether anyone is liking or not, the Democrats are 1,000% enabling the Republicans, and even if Harris won this last election, we will be dealing with the potentiality that the Republicans would come back in full force by mid-terms or general elections anyway.
I understand that voting blue no matter who is a way for people to feel as though they are doing something. I still encourage voting. But voting blue no matter who, no matter how bad or how mediocre the candidate is, is clearly not working at all.
We can beat aipac. We've proven it in Illinois.
Trash take on a few levels. For one, pointing out grotesque inhumanity in both parties does not keep people from voting. If our words had that kind of power, war would be abolished forever ago.
both sides are pretty bad, but you still gotta get on the bus
That doeant mean you have to get on one of the two major busses. It's completely fine to pick a third smaller bus. It might take longer to arrive, but it doesn't smell like someone pissed on the seat.
That would be a great solution, if we ever manage to get one of those small buses to go anywhere.
ranked choice voting would open up so many more bus routes
The Democrats are bad, but the Republicans want you dead.
Do you really need it spelled out more than this ? VOTE for heaven's sake.
Democrats clearly wanted Palestinians dead, and I am no better than them, ergo I will not vote for those genocidal scum even if it serves my own interests. It's ridiculously basic solidarity.
Some of us have a memory longer than 4 years (sorry for Xitter link but it was either that or Reddit for the source).
The Democrats just don't care if you die. And they'll gladly fund genocide on the other side of the planet. If they're willing to kill brown women and children on the other side of the planet for the sake of wealth and power, why do you imagine you're safe? And if you are, do you deserve to be, if that's the price?
jfc thank you, Lemmy is a digital liberal hellscape sometimes
(but I still love what it represents because it's better than the realistic alternatives)