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Article about an experiment from Brisbane, Australia.

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[–] ___@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 hours ago

We went involuntarily car-free for a month after a heavy rain flooded my family's car. It was much more manageable than expected, due to both the walkability of our suburban neighbourhood and commutes that aligned with nearby bus routes. But if we lived even 1km further from the bus stops, it would have been unpleasant. The alternatives to driving need to exist with reasonable frequency before more suburbanites consider ditching their cars. But I also believe that people need to be receptive to trying something different that may not always be as comfortable as getting into a climate controlled, sound insulated private box to get around.

Despite how close we are to amenities, almost everyone drives to the grocery stores or to work regardless of age or physical health. One factor is 30+ minute bus headways even at peak times. Another is that 2+ buses are needed to get to the nearest commuter rail station, which has free parking and again 30+ minute headways. So to make it to the station on time, people just choose to drive there. That lack of integration with regional rail schedules is another thing that may be limiting bus ridership. An interim solution to low built densities affecting bus routes is more bike infrastructure that is transit compatible, like bike racks at bus stops instead of awkwardly using utility poles. (Also, why are we not allowed to use both bus bike rack slots when they clearly have the space for it? It seems asinine.)

While we are not really a car-lite household, many grocery and commuting trips have been replaced by transit. I realize there's a degree of discomfort that comes with a change in travel patterns when the alternatives are not as maturely developed. Waiting 30 minutes for a bus or walking 20 minutes to another bus route because the last bus came early can be unpleasant, but on the flip side, the ride itself unlocks the ability to relax or get work done that driving does not permit. Walking or biking to the grocery store can be a workout on the way back, but it's free cardio through 'the gym of life,' as Jason Slaughter of Not Just Bikes would say. We need to be okay with some discomfort before ridership can increase enough to improve transit frequencies. Or, you know, hope that 40% increases in gas prices in 2 weeks is enough of a price shock that people start embracing the alternatives on their own accord.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Ask 10 people in Amsterdam and half would tell you they already haven't used a car in weeks. The only ones who'd have a problem with it are those who work far away from Amsterdam.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I was amazed by the transformation in Amsterdam when I visited last summer. I've been visiting Netherlands for 40 years and always admired their cycling culture but lately they seemed to have almost eliminated cars from the city. As a result it is incredibly quiet, serene and there is no vehicle soot on the buildings, as is the case in London. I could often choose among many different modes of alternative transport in any given location.

The English solution to this problem is ever more stringent penalties on the driver (e.g. ULEZ) which may be profitable but they have been ineffective at reducing the volume of vehicular traffic, pollution, accidents, ad nauseum. We pay a huge price for car culture.

[–] SuluBeddu@feddit.it 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I think this small experiment simply demonstrates that ditching cars is not a matter of personal preferences, but a community effort

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago

And a matter of traffic design. You can design places to require a car for everything, or you can design them with bike paths everywhere and a good public transit system.

[–] kepix@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

there is a reason they dont use a bike in the first place

[–] Flyzeyez@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

It depends on where you live. I wouldn't be able to get around without my whip.

[–] Doctorbllk@slrpnk.net 4 points 9 hours ago

10 is not a statistically significant sample size

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 15 hours ago (18 children)

Ive been car free my entire life and I will continue to do so for the rest of my life

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[–] The_other_fish@aussie.zone 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The Brisbane public transport is pretty bad, but there are more reasons: the bus network is owned by the council while the train network is owned by the state government. As a result both tend to compete with each other. This is especially bad when the busses don't even cover some areas. Partner went for a course there recently and their best option to reach the place on public transport was to just walk 40 minutes from the train station! I can't think of a single area in Sydney that wouldn't get a bus service at least once a day on a work day. (You know things are bad if you're comparing to Sydney busses because these things are terrible)

[–] S4m_S3p1l@infosec.pub 2 points 6 hours ago

Absolutely, although as a Sydneysider, I generally have pretty good bus services where I live. The only thing that makes my blood boil is how awful the bus drivers can be to children. There was one day I had to catch the bus to the library after school, and it was storming a fuck ton. This group of highschoolers get on, and some of them don't tap on and go and sit down. The bus driver, an old grey haired lady yells her head off at the back of the bus, but since they had already sat down, she couldn't find them. So she decides the only thing left for her to do, is to stand by the Opal card reader, and force every single person to tap on. You might be thinking "well fine she's pissed, but those guys should've just tapped on right?"

Well this little kid jumps on, and he looks no older than 12 years old. He asks, in a voice I can barely make out over the raging storm outside "can I come on? My family just moved here and I don't have a card yet" - to which the decrepit bus driver yells "Not on my watch, get out of here! No one is allowed on this bus unless everyone taps on!", she then proceeds to shove him to the middle of the entrance before shoving him outside.

I remember kicking myself the rest of the trip to the library - I was furious at myself for not having recorded what she had done, and I couldn't stop thinking about it for the rest of the week. No one, especially not a child, deserves to be forced out of a bus in the middle of a thunderstorm.

So every time someone praises public transport here, I'm grateful for the comfortable experience I get to enjoy. But each and every time someone praises the buses, the first thing I can think of is that little boy, and how despite confessing to the bus driver he was new to the area, was pushed into the middle of a raging thunderstorm.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

Yeah, that's bcz most towns/cities are not set up to be walkable. And nobody wants to carry groceries miles back to their house. We've set up society in a way that not owning a car is a nonstarter.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.org 5 points 17 hours ago

You get the mobility you build your cities for. Cites were not built for cars (most of them at least), they were transformed into car cities (which took decades). Thing is, cities can also be transformed back into transit oriented cities. Both takes time and commitment though.

The Dutch were on the same "train" to total car dependency in the 1960s. But during the oil crises in the 70s they put a hard stop to that and reversed course. Now half a century later, most of the country is designed to be attractive for multiple modes of mobility, among others cycling but also transit and yes even driving by car. The latter does not dominate everything however.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 6 points 15 hours ago

Amateurs...

[–] decended_being@midwest.social 46 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

A researcher asked people who live in car dependent areas to go without theirs for 20 days, none of them were able to overcome the poor infrastructure.

Fixed Headline for them.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

The average claim per person for all their travel expenses during the experiment in Brisbane was $125 – but they saved $300 in car costs. “I hadn’t realised how much money my car eats up,” a 43-year-old man from Brisbane said.

Those $300 for 20 days look like just fuel costs. Add the yearly depreciation value of the car (especially bad for new cars), insurance and maintenance costs and it gets even worse.

Even limiting oneself to only a financial viewpoint (which is quite reductive since the are also big Environmental, Health and Social costs), for most people (especially those who live in cities) cars are stupidly expensive for the utility value that they deliver.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Wish I could. I have a company work truck, and I need to dramatically downsize my personal vehicle.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

None wanted to continue what? Driving cars? Continue the trial? I can't read the article due to a pay wall

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Here is an archive link.

Almost a dozen regular Brisbane people took on a challenge to give up their car for 20 days, but by the end of the experiment, they decided it was unrealistic for them to go totally car-free.

Urban planners from The University of Queensland recruited 10 car-owning Brisbane residents – five men and five women.

They were asked to follow their regular schedules, but use public transport, walk or ride instead.

What they found is that the city and it’s public transport options are antagonistic toward people who do not or cannot drove themselves.

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