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This viewpoint is flawed and dangerously naive.
The damage is not as superficial as a name or a building. The USA allowed this to happen. The checks and balances that were supposed to be built into the system have failed. The United States of America, it's government, and it's whole social structure is no longer reliable. It does not end with the removal from power or even the death of Trump.
In 2016 the world got to know Donald Trump. In 2024 the world got to know the American people.
In 2024 the first world got to know the American people.
FTFY. Places that had to live with the consequences of US bombs and CIA regime change already knew what the American people were like.
The thing that the whole word has learned is that there's NO limit to what the American people will shrug off and do nothing about, whether they like it or not. None whatsoever.
You're right that others have previously found themselves on the wrong side of that, apparently nonexistent, limit, and already learned that their lives didn't matter a bit to any Americans. But the attack on Venezuela and economic war against Cuba β formally unsanctiones acts of wanton destruction, carried out for the lulz in the name of all Americans β were very much not believed to be in the cards, even by those countries.
Earlier this year, Denmark -- fucking DENMARK -- a vassal state of ~5 million people -- prepared for a fight with the US to the point of sending blood bags to Greenland. But the very idea of that doesn't even give Americans pause, Trump voters or not.
At least people in Nazi Germany feigned ignorance, Americans straight up don't give a fuck.
Flawed? It's schizophrenic and a sign that there is no hope to be found in the US people.
Remember when we repealed the patriot act and got rid of the TSA? Or put the guardrails back in place after that big crash? No, the other crash, the one that happened after the guardrails were removed the second time.
To add: Remember when grocery prices went down?
That's not how it works.
In many cases trust is broken and it might never be restored. People won't come back if they know they can be vilified and fired again in a few years. Allies? We will never think of the US as a reliable partner again. Not in my life time.
Americans elected a psycho, a literal psycho. The only thing I will remember is that it will likely happen again.
Americans elected a psycho, a literal psycho.
RE-elected*
they elected him twice! It's not like they didn't know what was coming, they were okay with it
Exactly. They were cool with it, even more so they wanted this.
Most qualified voters couldn't be bothered to vote. Apathy is why we're here. Some of that apathy has been purposefully engineered by right wing media since the mid 1970s.
You don't get to use that excuse when you re-elected him.
Perhaps the opposition could have done more, results argue that they couldn't.
Besides, Trump is only the latest of a long trend of GOP candidates and policies all in line with the exact current policy. The opposition may have fought valiantly, and lost ground. From the outside, that looks exactly like a national shift towards the GOP/conservative/christo-fascist.
Cluster B personality disorder. Malignant narcissist.
The kind of parent kids go no contact with, former spouses have to take restraining orders out on, and not by any definition trustworthy or healthy.
Defined by living in a false reality, gaslighting deniers of that reality, love bombing people who play to them, and incapable of accepting accountability for any act.
All of this clearly visible to anyone with eyes and firing neurons.
And yet.
The world knows that it is not only Trump. We know that there is a broad election basis supporting that policy, that there are billionaires pushing it and that the whole GOP is totally in line with it. We witnessed how Biden tried to fix the damage of Trump1 and then we got an even worse Trump2.
So the world is trying to get out of their dependence on the USA and that will go on, because there will always be the threat of another trumplike president coming from the MAGA swamp
The US will bomb another several countries for no reason
We will remain subservient to Israel
We will get another Republican in four years who will repeat every mistake they've ever made and then some
Actually, if Vance 25th amendments his ass after January 20, 2027, he'll get Trump's last 2 years, and he'll still be eligible for two full terms.
The international community will never trust the US again. Every shred of soft power and trust in the US is gone, and nobody will make an agreement that isn't purely short-term transactional for decades to come.
Constitutional reform at minimum is required, preferably a sweeping change to how their voting and districting works.
And make voting day a fucking holiday ffs.
Anything that Trump has done via executive order can be undone just as easily, but the weakening of U.S. soft power is likely permanent. Nobody can trust the United States to act as a consistent and reliable cohort in any capacity, because we have proven to be unreliable and our foreign policy has been wildly inconsistent, shifting with the whims of the ignorant American electorate every 4-8 years.
I also don't think it's going to be that easy to purge the MAGA corruption from government agencies. They will put their masks back on and pretend to be good little worker bees, but everything that they do will be in service to Trump, not to the nation or the constitution. It will take ten times longer to root them out and oust them than it did for Trump and his cronies to install them.
If we have an unbroken string of left wing progressive presidents for the next 30 years, we might recover. If even one Republican snake manages to slither into office, the work will be undone in the span of a single term.
Hardly. The damage done is not so easily fixed. The US has proved it can't be trusted.
This has two problems, because it assumes:
It has been looking like Trump is going for a dictatorship for a long time and things are getting increasingly worse recently.
There is a third problem. It assumes talented people are will return to jobs where they can be fired at the whim of a presidents.
Trump has already caused decades of harm, some probably permanent. When people warned of irrevocable damage should Temp be elected, this is what they referred to.
A single example: Iran. If they still exist when Trump leaves office or dies, they're not going to jump back into the Iran Nuclear Deal. If we don't want them to have nuclear weapons, Trump shouldn't have withdrew us from the statement that was working in 2018 just because it was an Obama success! Shit like that is why we're fucked...
USAmerica - you are going to have a population of fundamentally broken people after this. High schoolers watched their friends disappear. Children in daycare saw their teachers dragged out. Relatives and neighbors were dragged out of their homes. Stores were raided. People are dead; And lives will forever be changed.
This chaos creates trauma, resentment, distrust, hatred. Because in the end -- we let it happen. The people of this nation let this terror happen. We let tens of thousands be massacred. We let our stores and community homes be raided.
And it was done through our core infrastructure. The people were trafficked through federal agencies. Our three branches of government worked together to make this happen. Our corporations and their technology let this happen. Google. Amazon. Microsoft. Apple. They all have had a role. Our neighbors voted for this, cheered for this.
If the next candidateβbe it Democrat or Republicanβwants to close the book on all this and broadcast platitudes of Democracy and Compassion... whatever candidate(s) those are, I hope they fail.
The Gulf of Mexico is still the Gulf of Mexico. No country other than the USA calls it anything else.
I'm not kidding when I say it would take almost half a century to restore the damage that has been done to the US and global order...
That's assuming it ever happens, which is far from certain.
When Trump leaves office, the 40% of Americans who voted for him will still be there.
As a European,
It will take a lot more than these, along with plenty of time and pain, to regain the trust of the rest if the world.
Mostly it will require a turn, in behalf of the USA, to a functioning democracy, with checks and balances, a functioning senate and house of representatives, a functioning justice, a functioning administration, a working economy, fair trade and so on.
I m not very optimistic that the USA will do it in my lifetime if ever.
Don't overestimate European leaders. They will jump back to depending on US for defense at the first sign of any stabilization in US. There's still barely any real resistance. They are doing the absolute minimum necessary to preserve sovereignty but not much more. Germany sided with US over its EU allies just couple weeks ago.
Oh sure, the entire world will just collectively shrug and act like none if this really happened.
Yep. Guaranteed.
Also, billionaires are going to be embarrassed and start giving away their money. The pedophiles that were all in charge will demand to be put in prison for their crimes out of pure guilt.
Whatever this person is smoking, snorting, swallowing, injecting, and/or boofing, I want some. I'm already self-medicating with as much pot as I can afford to get through this assclown fuckery we call an administration; I want/need stronger drugs that enable this kind of magical thinking and optimism.
You just showed the world that laws don't matter. You can't (or won't) enforce your own laws when a government goes rogue. How do you expect someone believes you when you say that?
And then, after another 75 maybe 100 years of being international pariahs, the rest of the world MIGHT consider taking you people seriously again....
and other jokes we can tell ourselves, Volume II
That's a good fantasy but, youve shown how easily you can alienate your allies and trust will not be rebuilt immediately.
You will have to show that as a country youve all collectively grown.
Ok, but this is all Day 1 shit. What are you actually going to do to improve people's lives?
I explicitly do not want to fix this system. To attempt to fix this system, within the system, would take literally a century. It is inconceivable to me that we could get past the blatant corruption and bureaucratic rot that is at every level of our government.
The only answer is to strip it to the foundation, and then dig that up as well. We need a new constitution, a new Congress of states, perhaps the states should go as well, to be restructured for the new world that we are entering. Florida could be literally underwater year-round by the end of the century. The southwest will be out of water as the Colorado river dries up. The midwest could very easily slip into another dust bowl due to heat stress on grasses. We need to account for these things when we design the new social contract, because this one is dead.
What Trump actually did was hold up a mirror to America so they could see how rotten everything actually was behind the illusion. A painful, humbling lesson but one that has a chance to actually address the rot. There is a future where we all learn from this and move forward after he's gone in a positive way. Removing tumors is dangerous and painful but it's the only hope of survival. The amount of damage doesn't matter if the lessons learnt lead to meaningful progress.
I admire their optimism.
Some of those will happen, def not all
This is all assuming we actually manage to get him out of office
and that he doesn't get replaced by another like-minded individual
If he really wanted his ballroom and dungeon or whatever is below it done now, he could probably just put more contractors on it.
Sleepers will remain in congress
DOJ and SCOTUS will remain as they are.
Our allies will be thankful, but they will not trust us.
We will remain allied with Israel; we may or may not exit Venezuela.
If you don't see him try to force a third term then you're lucky.
If such a magical thing as an honourable transfer of power could happen, it's pretty rare for fascist policies to be rescinded. Seeing the dems as they are, I almost think they would be disappointed as they will have to pretend to do policy again.