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What is the Marxist thought on hiring contract labor? For instance, say you are a self employed contractor and you hire contract labor to do something you cannot do. Is this exploitation?

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[–] Sebrof@hexbear.net 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Here's my take: it depends. The labor you discuss may not even be going into making value in the Marxist economic sense of the term, especially if someone is doing a specific service for your. If you pay someone to paint a room or fix some appliance and they are self employed then you aren't exploiting them. They use the money you pay to cover the cost of the tools and material and their wage. It may be possible they are "exploiting themselves" if they are underselling their own labor services. In this case, you care about the use-value of the product or service. You aren't appropriating their product and selling it for a profit on the market. You don't care about the exchange-value of the product. You are like their customer.

Surplus value, and exploitation, come into the picture if you hire this person to make a product which you then sell. Perhaps you contract them to design a shirt or paint a room, but your goal is to sell that shirt or room (house) on the market place for a profit. In this case it is the exchange-value of the product that you care about, not the use in itself. You don't care for the room or the shirt for its own sake, just how much money you can get from selling it. In that case the worker would make value in their labor, and by appropriating a profit from the product of their labor you are able to exploit them.

You may still give that worker a "fair wage", but by selling their product and realizing a profit you introduce the real possibility of exploiting them. You are able to use that profit to afford consumption items which have value in excess of the value (or labor) that you yourself provided to the economy. And the worker creates labor (provides labor) in excess of the value of the consumption items their wage affords them.

It sounds like you are just hiring someone to do something personal for you, like painting your room. In that case I believe you're good. ;)

It's all about the web of social relations. That very same action (like painting a room) can take on so many different economic forms once we start asking how this action fits into the larger picture of production.

[–] Sebrof@hexbear.net 1 points 23 hours ago

Also, some further thoughts. Read with caution.

I'm not certain how easy or straightforward it is to talk about exploitation of a single person. My understanding of Marx's categories in Capital is that they are social relations, not so much people. Capital, not the capitalist, is the object of study. Labor, not the individual worker, is the protagonist. Marx himself notes in his Preface to the First Edition of Capital that

individuals are dealt with here only in so far as they are the personifications of economic categories, the bearers of particular class-relations and interests.

When you hire workers to make commodities for profit you are acting as a bearer of capital. Capital, the larger social process, is "carried" through you or personified in you. When you go to work for your boss in modern capitalism you are an instance of the larger collective worker. These larger social relations are the fundamental starting point for Marx, as I understand it. An individual plays the "role" of these categories.

A single person may also "bear" multiple economic roles. They may be a landlord, and hence be a bearer of the interests of the landlord class. That same person may also be a wage worker too and hence a bearer of the class interests of the proletariat. This can make discussion of the exploitation of a single person somewhat tricky. I'm not saying it isn't possible and I may just be ignorant of the best way to do so. I am saying that my own reading and understanding of Marx causes me to view things structurally and socially and things can get fuzzy when we reduce it down to what about this specific person.

Marx does make mention of the surplus value produced by a single worker, for example - so maybe there is no reason to suspect there is difficulty with discussing these categories for an individual - but again I always read that as personifications of these collective categories. But this may be my own bias here.

One index we could try to use to talk about the exploitation of an individual comes form an academic article from J. Cogliano (Computational Methods and Classical-Marxian Economics) in which he uses agent based simulations to try to simulate an economy as Marx describes. This is an approach that explicitly starts with the individual and isn't an orthodox Marxist approach. The index is similar, but not identical, to ratios that Marx himself would use in Capital.

To calculate what Cogliano called the exploitation intensity index of an economic agent, you just compare a.) the total labor they provide to the economy over a certain time period with b.) the value of products they consume in the economy. If a person works many hours, but they afford very little or only afford low value goods then this ratio is very high. They have a high intensity of exploitation. On the opposite end, if someone works very little or not at all and they can still somehow afford high value goods then they have a low intensity of exploitation - and someone somewhere else is likely being exploited to support them.

This may be hard to calculate in practice. Especially if the person works multiple jobs or, like I said before, inhabits multiple "economic roles" (like somehow being both landlord and worker and part-time small business owner, etc.). Also, that measurement depends on us being able to measure the value of goods. Depending on who you ask, this either is the same thing as the price or isn't the same thing but is close to it. Things get bloody real fast.

Also, this index obviously isn't the end-all be-all of figuring out if someone was exploited. If someone is young, or disabled, or elderly such they can't provide labor then I would not say they exploit others even if the above index suggests. Likewise when you do someone a favor and paint their house for free you (likely) aren't getting exploited.

But using the above ratio can help to think about exploitation in some ways.

How much of my labor do I give to others? How much of others' labor am I taking? In terms of hours of human labor: do I give back more than I use up, or do take more than I give?

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Exploitation is a question of labor value. I'd expect that the answer is usually yes (because hiring them is thereby directly profitable), but it's just a question of how much they are compensated versus how much labor value you receive from them.

[–] Dr_Pepper@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

I was more thinking along the lines of hiring them to do a service for you ie graphic design or painting a room

[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think if you charge the customer more for the subcontractor's (portion of the overall) work than the subcontractor charges you (+ your administrative costs engaging the subcontractor) then surely this is labor exploitation.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

where is the surplus value going?

can you structure the deal in a way that they get some kind of residual?