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Trump supporters who backed his promise to avoid new Middle East wars worry Iran’s attacks on shipping are pushing the U.S. toward escalation — and maybe even boots on the ground.

When the U.S. started firing Tomahawk missiles at Iran late last month, many of Donald Trump’s allies hoped it would be a quick, surgical operation, similar to last year’s strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities or the ouster of Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro in January.

Though uneasy, they were reassured by the belief that Trump’s open-ended objectives gave him the flexibility to declare victory whenever he saw fit.

Now, more than two weeks into the campaign, some of those allies believe the president no longer controls how, or when, the war ends. They fear Iran’s attacks on oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, which have rattled global crude markets and threaten broader economic distress, are boxing Trump into a situation where escalating the conflict — potentially even putting American boots on the ground — becomes the only way to credibly claim victory.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Child kicks hornets' nest, friends of child are shocked that hornets got angry and started stinging people at random and don't just give up and leave their honey behind.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 6 hours ago

Virtuosic Incompetence.

[–] massacre@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

Trump and Hegseth should use AI about it.

[–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago

"wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please". -Machiavelli

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago
[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 76 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The sad thing is that even after this war decimates the US economy and leaves america as a complete laughingstock, the MAGats are going to happily vote for the next Trump.

Losing Vietnam didn't teach them anything, and neither will this fiasco.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Decimated is only 1/10th. Trump likes to use it a lot, but doesn't know what it means.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 4 points 10 hours ago

Decimated does come from the practice of killing one prisoner in ten.

And it has come to be synonymous with 'devastated.'

I was using it in the sense of 'severely maimed.' Losing a hand or a foot won't kill you but it is pretty bad.

The funny thing is that I first read the word in a spy thriller, where an agent realizes his boss has been replaced with a double when the phony misuses the word.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The orange blob has done enough dumb things to mock him for without using archaic definitions as gotchas.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago
[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

happily vote for the next Trump

You mean Trump himself? There's no chance in hell he wouldn't try to run again if he hasn't kicked the bucket by then.

It's pretty unlikely he'll make it until then and if he does die I'm not sure who will be his successor (definitely not charisma black hole JD) but if not then he's too proud to give anyone else a chance.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

MTG played it pretty smart.

She retired from Congress and isn't running in November. I predict she will be omnipresent as a pundit and set herself up nicely for 2028 GOP Convention.

He has plenty of successors in waiting.

[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think MTG has a chance, she's alienated too much of the republican party. Also, she's a woman. They never do well, especially not in the republican party.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 9 hours ago

She could make herself a power in the Party and position herself as a kingmaker.

More will be revealed.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's the Paul Ryan gamble.

The equivalent of pulling your funds out of a market before a crash and hoping to buy back in low.

She's hoping trump goes down and then she can fill the void

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yup, both the Paul Ryan and stock market metaphors are apt.

But taking the Paul Ryan comparison to its conclusion is probably also apt - he never had the chance to buy back in low, because he didn't factor in that this particular market has no bottom. The only rational move with the GOP, ever, is to just cash out and leave forever.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

and leave forever

I wish I thought Paul Ryan has left forever...

Ignorance is bliss and all

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[–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They're going to frame it as "See? The most powerful navy in the world is struggling, imagine how worse a threat Iran world be if Trump hadn't intervened! He's a tactical jenius!"

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

even after this war decimates the US economy

War has traditionally been a boon to the American economy, as the US workforce is heavily integrated into the Military Industrial Complex. The surge in state spending under the Trump administration, combined with the construction boom from AI, is what's currently keeping us out of recession. And domestic oil exports only benefit when countries like Kuwait and Qatar can't export fossil fuels.

Losing Vietnam didn’t teach them anything

It's the Max Bialystock strategy. You win by losing. Another multi-decade long military engagement means multiple trillions of dollars invested in equipment, technology, and private contractors.

Iran, Ukraine, Venezuela, I guess Cuba is next, maybe we get to Nigeria or North Korea down the line... the wars never end and the profits never stop flowing.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The problem has been "the only other option" was neoliberal who won't help us either, but are bad liars about it.

We got a fair DNC again, we can get a FDR style Dem who actually helps people, meaning Dem turnout doesn't get depressed and the next shitty Republican doesn't get an open court layup.

That's all it takes to break that cycle. It's why neoliberals were always willing to lose a general in the primary if it meant stopping a progressive.

They never had the same goal as Dem voters, but Dem voters got the DNC back from neoliberals over a year ago.

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[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

It was so easy to steal America with Elon's help. Surely stealing Iran and all of its oil will be much easier.

[–] JustKeepStretching@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Time for our totally not completely manipulated stock market to inexplicably go up!

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Watching the markets the last few weeks certainly supports the notion that the markets are decoupled from reality.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ya pretty much since Covid. It’s hard to have a free market when all the capital is in the hands of a handful of people.

[–] Bloodyhog@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Way before that, actually. At the very least, since GFC of 2008. Traditional valuation models died long ago. My vague belief is that the only deciding factor for markets now is the amount of capital free for investing (and that multiplied massively through QE and covid handouts). So we have trillions of dollars sloshing around looking for a home. Be loud as Musk and it will flow your way, regardless of what you are actually producing. Hence the unhinged valuations of several top companies.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Well said. The GFC certainly laid the ground work and created the idea of “maybe we should print a lot of money instead of allowing stocks to decline.” They mastered the art in time for Covid tho. PPP loans and bailing out banks and all kinds of tricks came together in 2020 to create massive wealth inequality in a short span of time. The last 6 years have felt much more painful than the previous 12

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Iran is slipping beyond the President’s control

I’ve become more critical of the way I’m reading headlines lately and this one stuck out to me. The implication is that a sitting leader of one sovereign nation should have control of another sovereign nation or that the latter nation should be “subservient” to them. It’s really interesting how the build the intended power dynamic with that one sentence.

I read it differently. That sentence makes it sound like the “President” is actually a competent leader whose plans are falling apart, rather than the dangerously stupid puppet that he is. All media outlets keep sane-washing him like he has plans to begin with, is capable of strategic thought, and is somehow actually trying to do any kind of good for anyone but himself and his handlers.

America is rat-fucked until the people can establish at least one media outlet that isn’t indifferent to all the evil being perpetrated against them.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 1 points 21 hours ago

Definitely nothing to do with the editorial bias of Politico's owners...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Springer_SE#Criticism

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[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hold the cards? That orange shitgibbon has a handful of Uno cards while everyone else is playing poker-- he's not even playing the same game. He needs to be put in a home for criminals with dementia then sealed in.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Anyone saying he plays 3D chess needs to understand that's a stupid thing to do when the game is checkers.

[–] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago

He is not playing chess.... he is eating the pieces.

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

HE NEVER HAD ANY CONTROL TO BEGIN WITH! Trump has about as much control of Iran as he does with his bowels.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We clearly just kicked [Iran’s] ass in the field,

hahahahahahah

“Thanks to a detailed planning process, the entire administration is and was prepared

hahahahaHAHAHAHAhahahahaha

President Trump knew full well

HAHAHAHahahaaaahahahaaaa.... oh man...

any disruptions to energy are temporary and will result in a massive benefit to our country and the global economy

hahahahahhahaAHHAHAHAHAHaaahhhahaha

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[–] null@lemmy.org 5 points 1 day ago

Special Military Operation 2: Desert Boogaloo

[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Time to pivot to Cuba!

I'm actually shocked that he hasn't already declared victory and pulled all ships from the area.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I’m actually shocked that he hasn’t already declared victory

He did do that part

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

slipping beyond the president's control.

Much like his ability to not shit his pants.

[–] BigMacHole@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 day ago

This is SILLY because Trump OBVIOUSLY took us to War with FULL Knowledge of Who and What he was Up against! Trump would NEVER Risk American Lives so Silly like That! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!

[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It was never in his control, he and the civilian leaders in DoD don’t understand and don’t want to understand the complexities of Iran either social or political

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