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[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

Please. Please make the former impossible. I fucking dare you.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 17 hours ago

You expect conscience out of the genocidal bombing 🇺🇲?

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Freeway would shut down if someone bumps into a few cars

[–] MerryJaneDoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I think you don't even have to bump. Just turn on your hazard lights and start slowing down in the middle lane. In medium to heavy traffic, this should cause a standstill.

Relevant gif.

[–] Rainbowblite@lemmy.ca 6 points 15 hours ago

Coordinate with a handful of friends for a few days of this and it would be a real mess. People might have to take the bus!

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 4 points 1 day ago

fash.world: BANNED FROM COMMUNITY
Reason: inciting violence.

[+] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

I like the sentiments of "You don't need a permit" and "You don't have to say 'peaceful protest'", but there is definitely a right way and a wrong way to protest.

It's not a matter of what you choose to do. It's a matter of who you choose to do it to. Focus your efforts on anyone in the "Problem Class" (anyone worth 8 figures or more) and you can do no wrong.

Intentionally inconvenience any member of the general public, even slightly, and you can do no right.

Move your obstructive protest away from the freeways used by the general public, and take them to the entrances of a gated community where the problem people live. Obstruct the problem class. Don't oppress the general public.

Edit: Huh. A bit more support for fenced-in decimillionaires than I would have thought.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 6 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

No, what you need to do is disrupt the livelyhood of the rich cunts. That means destroying the productivity of their businesses. How do you completely stop all productivity from something like a Tesla manufacturing plant? By making sure noone can get to work to work the machines.

How do you stop the businesses from selling the products of the oligarchs? Make sure they're stuck in trafic, along with their customers.

Grounding society to a literal halt, is the best way to hurt the capitalists.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

i thought it was dragging them out of their homes and caving their skulls in

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 4 points 15 hours ago

That comes when they punish their workers for daring to be late due to a disruption in the transportation network (I know that's already a thing in USA).

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

No, what you need to do is disrupt the livelyhood of the rich cunts. That means destroying the productivity of their businesses. How do you completely stop all productivity from something like a Tesla manufacturing plant? By making sure noone can get to work to work the machines.

Excellent idea! Shut down the plants the oligarchs are using to fund their oppression. Kudos!

How do you stop the businesses from selling the products of the oligarchs? Make sure they’re stuck in trafic, along with their customers.

Blocking traffic? Targeting their customers? Lumping customers in with the problem class? Keeping working-class people from getting to their jobs, or getting back home again? You just made an enemy of the general public. You aren't "protesting". You aren't "bringing awareness." You're campaigning for an authoritarian response against protesting. You're inviting expansion of laws and enhanced penalties for jaywalking, obstructing traffic, and protesting in general.

This attitude is what I am talking about. You aren't driving a wedge between reasonable people and their oppressors. You're declaring that reasonable people do not exist. Just to continue going about their lives, the general populace has to team up with their oppressors to shut down your obstruction. You're driving a wedge between the people and your cause, rather than using your cause to drive a wedge between the people and their oppressors.

There is definitely a right and a wrong way to protest; you've given us examples of both. Thank you!

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

[–] shiftymccool@piefed.ca -4 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

I would happily hit a fascist with my car for no more reason but being within swerving distance but i will also just as happily hit an anti-fascist if they block the road, keeping me from my livelihood. I'm not the target of your protest, get out of my fucking way

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 4 points 12 hours ago

Idk it really just sounds like you want to hit someone with your car.

[–] MerryJaneDoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I'd feel the same way. And yet...it's still effective.

"Why were you late?"

"Protesters."

"What were they protesting?"

And just like that, the conversation has started.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, indeed. The conversation has started. But what conversation are they having? You seem to think they are talking about the cause being protested.

They aren't.

They're talking about the need for increased police powers to prevent such "anti-social" behavior. They're supporting broad, authoritarian legislation specifically because it includes provisions against the kind of "protests" that make them late to work, late getting home, late picking up their kids from school, late to their doctors appointments.

The net effect of blocking general traffic is increased support for authoritarianism, and greater tolerance for brutality against demonstrators, as we saw from tribal police in Nevada three years ago.

The conversations you want people to be having only come when your protest narrowly targets the people doing the oppressing. When you're intention is nothing more than pissing off their victims, you distract them from taking effective action, not focus their attention.

[–] MerryJaneDoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, protests can be inconvenient. Freedom is messy.

The people who view protesting as "anti-social" aren't ever going to join your cause. They don't care about freedom, they care about safety and security.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

There is a big difference between creating an incidental inconvenience, (such as by assembling 10,000 people whose mere presence disrupts traffic patterns around the protest site) and deliberately targeting fellow victims of oppression (such as by assembling a few dozen people to obstruct thousands on a freeway).

The former is a great way to protest. The latter is counterproductive.

If those few dozen people move their obstructive protest from the freeway to the driveway of the richest person in town, they get the same media coverage and motivate hundreds to come out and join them.

[–] MerryJaneDoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I think there's room for both.

Assembling even a dozen like-minded people for a coordinated protest is out of reach for most folks. What usually ends up happening is that a huge protest happens and everyone goes and then most of them are finished. They did their part.

The big protest ends up being a performative event, for both the protesters and the administration/police. The big protests usually happen on a weekend, so that everyone can attend. Usually in an urban area, where office and government buildings are closed on that day. So you end up with a downtown area packed with police and protesters and nobody else.

And even if you end up with a consistent, long-running, well attended protest, the chances are slim that it impacts anything. We did this for a year in Portland in 2020, and it made no difference. Maybe 25-50 people during the day would hold vigil over the park, watch other people's belongings and just be present. They'd chat with passers-by and make new signs, etc. But when evening came, things would ramp up as people got off their day jobs and came to join the crowd. The crowd would balloon to 5 or 10 thousand people sometimes, but even if it was only 500 or so people, they still had nightly clashes with police. At least two people died that summer.

It. Meant. Nothing. No meaningful change was affected. The police chief and the DA ended up resigning, and there were a few minor policy changes around how to better handle civil unrest.

I'm wondering, though, if we had been in a wealthy residential neighborhood, would things have been different? Probably. But could we get all those people to a suburb? Being in the city center provided all of the momentum. The foot traffic and downtown rush hour, drawing people's attention, that sort of thing. I don't know if that sort of excitement could be generated outside the city?

So..those a bunch of meandering thoughts, thanks for coming to my TED talk. :)

[–] traxex@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 19 hours ago

Yeesh. Bad hot take.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -5 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Found the oligarch.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think you know what that word means.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

And I don't think you know how to protest. Hint: When the public walks away more pissed off about you than about your cause, your protest has failed. You have distracted the public away from your cause, not supported it.

Instead of legislation in support of your cause, they are backing legislation against you.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Incorrect

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -1 points 11 hours ago

Yawn.

[–] greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You do know that if you're protesting in a gated community, nobody will be home?

And nobody will care.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -3 points 15 hours ago

Picketing that community. Blocking that community. No rich cunts in, no rich cunts out. Disrupt the people who are creating the problems, not the general public just trying to go about their lives.