this post was submitted on 15 Mar 2026
183 points (88.3% liked)

Late Stage Capitalism

2939 readers
306 users here now

A place for for news, discussion, memes, and links criticizing capitalism and advancing viewpoints that challenge liberal capitalist ideology. That means any support for any liberal capitalist political party (like the Democrats) is strictly prohibited.

A zero-tolerance policy for bigotry of any kind. Failure to respect this will result in a ban.

RULES:

1 Understand the left starts at anti-capitalism.

2 No Trolling

3 No capitalist apologia, anti-socialism, or liberalism, liberalism is in direct conflict with the left. Support for capitalism or for the parties or ideologies that uphold it are not welcome or tolerated.

4 No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or 'wasted votes on 3rd party' is lessor evil rhetoric.

5 No bigotry, no racism, sexism, antisemitism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, or any type of prejudice.

6 Be civil in comments and no accusations of being a bot, 'paid by Putin,' Tankie, etc. This includes instance shaming.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
all 34 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You guys need to get like 30 political parties. THAT is a democracy. The US has never been anything else but a dictatorship since at least Reagan, where you only get to choose the least worst asshole out of a group of assholes

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

That would only look better.
Despite that we have many parties in EU countries it's always the same system in charge.
The big ones have money and control the media.
They squabble a bit over details and trivial issues but at heart they tow the same line.
Neolib policies, and always supporting shitrael, multinationals and being vassals of the US regime.
Everything generally creeping more to the right, dismantling our social structures, sometimes some tiny concessions to 'the pseudo-left' (those who still shamelessly use the name socialist party in many cases, despite being controlled opposition) when they win. .
In theory, not much different from the US situation, even if that theater is played much further to the right.
They also have bipartisan dogma's of endless imperialism and war, aiding the israeli genociders, supporting multinationals, oligarchs and banks.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world -4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It's becoming clear to me that the best form of government would incorporate ideas from many different ideologies.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That's like saying that a little bit of cancer is okay, just not too much. Because eventually the cancer will take over

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 1 points 56 minutes ago (1 children)

What did you think I meant by that? That we should incorporate facisim and a monarchy or something? It's not at all what I was saying but thanks for jumping to a conclusion I guess.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -1 points 21 minutes ago

I imagined some of that Nordic model bullshit

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 40 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The rise of the far right is a complex global phenomenon with multiple contributing factors.

The commitment of all political elites in the US to relentlessly attack leftists leaves a smoother path for fascists, and i definitely think it's right to call out dems for this.

But the problem is much more than the just a right to center-right party like the dems stifling leftists.

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 hours ago

Dems haven't been center right in decades, they may be barely left of Republicans but center on the political scale does no move, only parties do. With the Overton window Dems have been far right for years

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

To me, it boils down to what political alignment best suits the political money machine, and in a vacuum that will always be strong police, strong military, and a loose application of the laws that are meant to control their actions toward 99% of the population.

That may be simplistic as well, but the scrooge mcducks of this world have far more use for the bootheel than they do for the reallocation of their wealth to the great unwashed.

[–] metallic_substance@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That's obnoxiously simplified

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago

how else would americans grasp it?
Think they want are going to read a 50 page essay.
This is tailored to their 15 second attention span.

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry but no. The far right is on the rise globally, and as much as Muricans want to feel self-important, their cultural and political export has not yet reached a level where the actions (or in this case, inactions) of a domestic political party that doesn't even really align with any other party globally (given Dems consider themselves leftists when compared to actual alignment based on policies, they're firmly center-right to right), are not a direct contribution to it.

No, for example, the right rose in Europe in the wake of the immigration crisis starting ca. 2010 (compounded with the global crisis of 2007-08, which admittedly was caused by the US financial market), which in turn is a result of US interventionalism in the Middle East for the past, oh, thirty years (well, it was about 30 years in 2010), but especially the ramped up failed wars since 9/11, that only managed to destabilise the area enough so that a large swath of people would pick out whatever remained of their lives from the rubble and move towards the EU in hopes of a better, safer life.

That combined with the sitting, mostly center-left governments' complacency in most EU countries, has led to a major humanitarian crisis that left the poorest of most EU countries' feel neglected, and now that same layer was enthralled by the far right, that used the ongoing support of immigrants as the kernel of truth in their web of lies, convincing swathes of people.

So no, the Dems not being leftist enough isn't the reason the far right is on the rise globally. It hardly even contributed to it since even the most leftist presidents have continued to bomb the shit out of the Middle East. And when two-term presidents can't even wrap up wars their predecessors began in 8 years... that's not a policy issue anymore. That's straight up the system keeping the wars going because they're profitable, and no amount of extreme leftist policy is going to take that trash out.

[–] telllos@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

You clearly link a global far right rise with american imperialism, we wouldn't be there if the Democrats were truly on the left.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

What a bunch of bullshit. Trying to blame anyone on the left for anyone's behaviour on the right. This is, frankly, a crock of smelly shit.

OP's history is chock full of trying to blame the left for fascism. Blocking this fucking bullshit. You should be ashamed, OP. Fucking ashamed.

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

Democrats have never been on the left. That's the problem, they think they are but their actions say otherwise. They never take responsibility for the fuck ups they've caused, it is like an alcoholic refusing to acknowledge they are an addict. And until they do nothing will get better for them

And it's you that should be shamed of not being able to read community rules that say liberalism is not welcome in this leftist space

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

anyone on the left

That DOESN'T include the Dem leadership.

That's a BIG part of the point that you're conveniently ignoring to further your ridiculous partisan agenda of holding neoliberal shills blameless for their inaction as the SUPPOSED opposition.

Not to mention their DECADES of actively siding with their owner donors over their constituency the vast majority of the time.

This is, frankly, a crock of smelly shit.

That's a good description of your defense of the Dem leadership, yes.

OP's history is chock full of trying to blame the ~~left~~ feckless SUPPOSED opposition for fascism

Fixed it for you.

You should be ashamed,

YOU should, apparatchik.

[–] zabadoh@ani.social 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I would blame it on the fracturing and proliferation of unregulated information sources, starting with unregulated cable TV, and then social media.

Simple stupid, but emotionally appealing messages like memes, spread faster than well reasoned and thought out arguments.

And far right propaganda excels at that.

Every radical movement has come with innovations in media: The printing press, newspapers, state propaganda, radio and television, and now social media.

And yeah, a lot of those waves ended in wars that resulted in regulation of media to keep the peace.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

And we can blame Democrats for that as well, before Clinton's telecom reform act, media was heavily regulated, who could own what, how much they could control, how much market share they could cover. The TRA got rid of all those barriers, that's how we went from hundreds of media owners and sources to 5 who can tightly control the message.

[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world -5 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

This is a stupid post. Arguments, what are those? Evidence, what name do? I'll just make a really stupid statement without a shred of info to back it up.

"You know what really led to the rise of right wing extremism? Cats."

See, I can do it too. It's clearly the cats.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

There is no evidence for cats, but a shit ton for Democrats.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 13 hours ago

Standard .world response to the obvious being pointed out.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

yes, though hopefully this isn't intended to imply the Democrats played a larger role than the Republican party's efforts to eliminate leftist movements (esp. as the Democrats are currently the only electoral party standing in opposition to the far right)

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Complicity can never be opposition, and Democrats are complicit

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago

I can't tell if you're thinking clearly ... Democrats are the only reason the anti-trans movement has been unable to pass legislation aimed at putting me in prisons and restricting my rights, Democrats are the only reason the current administration has been unable to even get a trans athletic ban passed

They are absolutely complicit, even in the anti-trans movement, but this kind of rigid and black-and-white thinking is genuinely unhelpful if you are at all invested in political outcomes.

Maybe you are insulated from those outcomes, but I am not - my entire life has been radically altered due to the success of the Republican party and their platform.

I am a leftist (not a liberal, not a Democrat), but despite being an anti-Democrat leftist, I also had to flee a Republican-controlled state because I feared for my life, was subject to genocidal practices like social death, and had my healthcare illegally denied. And where was the only refuge? A Democrat-controlled state whose laws protect me, guarantee my access to care, etc. - these laws matter, my life is on the line here, and you are going to claim this is nothing, that they're too complicit for this difference to count as "opposition" for you?

All I can think is that you are deeply unserious and sheltered from the political realities in this country.

Pragmatic cooperation with problematic allies is sometimes necessary for survival, I would argue electoral support of Democrats is an easy and minimal action anyone who cares about political outcomes should engage in.

Obviously it's important that our politics do not remain restricted to that single act of voting (or as liberals often do, only expanding that to donations to political campaigns); our political actions are much more relevant when organizing in the workplace and finding ways to use our power to apply pressure to achieve the outcomes that matter most (e.g. direct action, protests, etc.).

[–] Melkath@fedia.io 5 points 14 hours ago

Still, in this darkest of American hours, all you can do is play "lesser evil".

Disgusting.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

What were Democrats doing during Jeffrey Epstein’s tenure? Eating kids in the other side of table?

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

... did you read the links you sent, or is this like ironic humor?

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 2 hours ago

Did you ignore the investigation of 97% of the files, or you hold Democrats irresponsible here too?