China is building socialism by the year 2352 you have to trust the process
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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the “ML” influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
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This we get to have cyberpunk 2077 in real life, so I am thankful to the CCP.
I guess I need to level up my imagining a pathway to better world skills.
Marx loved markets that’s why his name shares three letters.
He loves them so much "Marx" is just his cool hip abbreviation for "markets"
This is outright lying with statistics. The majority of traders on U.S. stock exchanges (95%+) are individual traders. They just use a clearing house that does the trading for them because it's cheaper and faster.
The majority of traders on U.S. stock exchanges (95%+) are individual traders.
Absolutely need a source for that one. Sounds wrong on both volume of $ and volume of trades.
That's because "[number of] traders" and "volume" are two different numbers. Volume wise it's probably the opposite.
Yeah, but I don't think, that was the point of the meme. It was just about making fun of tankies.
i thought it was making fun of US capitalism where socialism is used as an invective.
Nah it wasn’t it was making fun of the concept of “Marxist Leninist Stock Exchanges” implying that its just “state capitalism”.
Btw, happy cake day.
A mutual fund buys and sells on behalf of the consumer so individuals don't have voting rights.
.ml collectively shits pants
There are two types of tankie. They either a) are very good at selectively ignoring what they’re not supposed to see or b) not true believers and are just trolling for the lolz
You forgot the third type: use dialectical materialism to analyze the world and understand what's going on around them instead of using idealist and moral thinking like "markets bad", allowing them to have nuanced understandings of why a revolutionary state would have a stock market.
nuanced understandings
stock market
you're a fucking parody of yourself, and it's fucking hilarious.
So weird, right? It's almost like you have a... a sort of reaction... a knee-jeek reaction maybe... to the concept of a stock market. It's almost like we differ not by ideology but by the fact that one of us is curious enough to research and analyze what appear to be contradictions and understand them in their historical and world systems context and the other is a reactionary.
Yeah, I react to the idea of a capitalist economy being a good idea. Don't fuck with me, tankie, your debate bro bullshit isn't thought out, and you aren't an intellectual. You're a fucking slave with Stockholm.
It's unfortunate that you live in this timeline then, because capitalism is literally the only system that has ever been used to industrialize a country in this timeline. Maybe your issue with reality. You should lodge a complaint.
Also, just so you know, Stockholm Syndrome was made up by a Western liberal to explain how anyone could ever possibly side with their enemy. It's not a real thing. It's a made up concepts with roots in police violence, fascism, and misogyny. Look it up.
a capitalist tankie. what do you call that? a comcap? a capcom? a fascist?
either way, it's somebody that would make the world a better place if you put a bullet in their brain.
I"m very glad you're just an internet warrior. You could do a lot of damage with your lethal combination of ignorance, idealism, moralizing, and hatred.
The USSR had the NEP for a reason. Marx's analysis are quite clear on the role capitalism plays in the development of productive forces in society. In fact, in his assessment, it is capitalism that produces the conditions for communism.
You gotta stop letting vibes run your life. Start going deeper into reality. Learn something
use dialectical materialism
AKA, mental gymnastics.
Unrelated to the discussion, but dismissing dialectical materialism like that is a bit harsh. It is still very prominent in international relations critical theory, for example. I even learned about Marxism and dialectical materialism in my highschool politics class, lol
It takes mental gymnastics to call tankies both dogmatic book worshippers and simultaneously people who can accept a Chinese stock market into their understanding of revolutionary theory.
Nobody ever said tankies are good at theory. It's not complicated: Tankies dogmatically worship the biggest state that calls itself communist and pretend it's doing what the books say.
Internal contradictions are akshually totally good and not evidence of ideological impurity!
How about kind of afraid it might be impossible to hold out against imperialist capitalism without some degree of nasty repressive shit.
Skill issue.
https://impactwealth.org/chinese-stock-market-a-deep-dive-into-the-6-trillion-meltdown/
I mean, I can keep going, literally every article about investing in the Chinese stock market shows its risk. If this trace of propaganda has any truth to it, maybe its composition is just a reflection on who is being left and targeted. Yeah, yeah, I know, "West press is biased" (Al Jazeera?) but that's what you get with such deeply rooted suppression of free speech in China. Even Trump era press is still better even if US press is rapidly dropping to that level.
It's almost like MLs are dogmatic and don't need to assess everything by whether or not it's approved by specific authors
There is being undogmatic and there is just doing capitalism but in red.
Almost sounds like you have a dogmatic problem with the capitalist mode of production that lacks an understanding of how capitalism emerges, what function it serves, and what the conditions will need to be to end it.
Cut a state capitalist and a fascist bleeds because that's the goal of fascism