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[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

but why? the evidence is not in his favor, trans folks on HRT on average perform the same as cis folks of the same gender:

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2026/01/22/bjsports-2025-110239

While transgender women exhibited higher lean mass than cisgender women, their physical fitness was comparable.

transgender women’s VO₂ max, when adjusted for weight, aligns with cisgender women,4 further supporting parity in endurance capabilities

the absence of strength disparities between transgender women and cisgender women found in the current review was consistent and contradicts narratives framing male puberty as conferring irreversible athletic advantages despite GAHT.

transgender women’s pretherapy advantages in push-ups and sit-ups disappeared after 2 years of feminising hormones among 46 individuals who started GAHT while in the US Air Force.

I think the problem here is that we don't acknowledge how broad the variation is among cis populations - even if our intuition or the conventional wisdom is true that a trans woman who went through the wrong puberty will probably end up taller and thus more advantaged in some sports relative to a random cis woman you picked off the street ... but the problem is that cis female athletes are not random cis women, there is a selection bias towards the tallest, strongest, etc. women - so especially in that context the evidence does not point to trans women having an advantage over cis female athletes, which is what the evidence we have points to (i.e. the trans women who are athletes are not that competitive or successful in sports).

EDIT: oh, and I wanted to say, John Oliver did a decent job covering the trans sports controversy, it really needs to be said that trans participation in sports has been normal for decades without controversy or issue, the only reason it's coming up now is because the GOP and the anti-trans movement failed to get bathroom bans to pass (and after the anti-abortion movement killed Roe v Wade they needed a new issue to motivate their base), so they identified trans participation in sports as a better starting point for normalizing transphobic policies that aim to ultimately eliminate trans people from the public.

It is very telling that most trans athletic bans in the US target kids playing in K-12 school systems, and that most of the bans exclude trans men as well as trans women; the goal is not fairness in high-stakes athletic competitions (where regulations are already in place to ensure fairness), the goal is to punish and ostracize trans people and to normalize legislation that does so.

[–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 2 points 9 hours ago

We just need to go full Harrison Bergeron with all sports/athletes and never talk about this shit again.

"what do I have to say to make you love me? You ungrateful shit you don't know how good you could have it with me! You're nothing without me!"

-- Gavin Newsome probably

[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Jeezes fuck of all the pretzels I’ve seen twisted…

Feels to me like he knows he’s losing support over this but his contract says “the sports thing, or else”.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 17 hours ago

I support bashing reactionary assholes like Newsom with the nearest blunt object

[–] notaviking@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Weird question, why are there gendered sports divisions, can't it all be like light weight, medium weight...

Just make the sports as inclusive as possible. Maybe if there is really a statistically significant advantage the different divisions that might be gendered but it has to be proven that it is excluding people by leveling the playing field

[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 8 points 12 hours ago

At face value the whole trans athletes thing being problematic is pretty stupid to begin with.

I mean people from the Netherlands tend to be taller than Belgians (or so the stereotype goes). Ok, so are we gonna disqualify anyone north from the border to participate south?

Ffs just accept trans people already and focus on actual issues or stfu.

[–] PacMan@sh.itjust.works 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately does not work that way. Example you put a man that weighs 120 lbs against a women that weighs the same or even more in a wrestling match. The man will most likely wax the floor on her because of men’s muscle mass is greater then a females. Girls have more fatty tissue because you know boobs and babies needs. Men’s bodies carry more muscle tissue.

Even in more gender neutral sports like tennis and golf a man is gonna hit harder, faster and longer than a lady. Lady’s tees exist for a reason.

Some of it is also physics of men being taller and having a longer swing. Why someone in the NHL will probably never beat Zdeno Chára‘a slap shot speed record. Not many people playing hockey that are almost 7 feet tall. That’s lumber is taller then most people

[–] Cass@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago

Men

Women, females, girls, ladies

I'm confused lol

[–] bioluminescence@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It's because otherwise a man might lose to a woman, and we can't have that of course.

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

While there is absolutely biological basis for separate leagues in some cases (hormones have a huge impact on your ability to build muscle mass) if I'm not mistaken there actually are cases historically where leagues that used to include men and women were separated because of sexism and men's discomfort with loosing to women

Wish I could remember examples but I believe thats literally happened before. Not all sports are dictated by muscle mass and/or height, it kinda depends

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago

Chess is a great example of this. Among many others im sure but that is the most ridiculous one i know of.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 14 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I support Newsome in nothing but sports.

You know, like mma. Or target shooting. Or aggressive mumbletypeg.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 1 points 9 hours ago

The most dangerous game

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

……..

Ok fine

…..

What’s mumbletypeg?

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago

It's a game played with knives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumblety-peg

Basically, you take a knife and try to get it to stick into the ground. The simplest versions of it are about how deep it goes into the ground. But when you're playing serious, you do tricks, like flipping it up, bouncing it off of various body parts and hopefully getting it to stick into the ground. It's way more challenging than it seems on the surface, especially since you don't use specialized knives, you use regular pocket and sheath knives that aren't going to be perfectly balanced.

aggressive mumbletypeg would be where you try and get it to stick into your opponent.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

MUMBLETYPEG THESE NUTZ! ... oh wait that doesn't work :(

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Sure it does! Well, as long as doze nutz aren't wanted as a permanent feature ;)

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 2 points 9 hours ago

Definitely not, fingers crossed they go down the drain this year 🤞

[–] overkrill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 23 hours ago

god that man is a vomit stain

[–] superfes@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago

Gavin Newsome will never have my support in anything, what a dipshit.